Me>> To imply that the Loskalmi have maintained a rabid fear of lions
>> that manifests itself in the Kingdom of War is like claiming that
>> the modern day Englishman has a hidden rabid fear of Popish Plots.
>Some of us do. (And, for supposedly modern-day Brits, look at Ulster).
I am well aware that 'such-and-such is a popish plot' passes as reasoned debate in some parts of Ulster (with corresponding silliness on the other side of the so-called Peace Line) and I had hoped to exclude Ulster by restricting my arguement to englishmen. But then I realized I forgot the blasted Antitracterians of Oxford...
>> the Grand Order of the Swallow - are swallows vicious animals?
>Izzat the Genertelan or Pamaltelan Swallow? :-)
No coconuts in genertela AFAIK.
Julian Lord:
>>>But the Kingdom of War appeared during the Syndic's Ban, seemingly from
>>>nowhere. It incorporates no part of the physical world as it previously
>>>existed, surely, despite the blatant unrealism of this idea.
Me>>The Q&A said that the KoW was originally inhabited by inhuman
>>demons (Uz?) from the land of the dead.
>I disagree. I think that it means, rather, that these demons (not Uz I
>think. GW Chaos Knights, and Chaos Demons, rather.
The source for the inhuman demons is the Genertela Book which states that the Black Forest which the Kindom of War burst out from was known as the last stronghold of Uz in fronela (although the writer doesn't seem to be counting Xemstown for some reason). So I feel the majority of inhuman inhabitants are uz-related before the Thaw.
>> The KoW is now mostly
>> human because it has converted its enemies into fighting for it.
>Since the end of the Syndic's Ban, yes, this has been happening. But my
>reading is, rather, that other warlike creatures, including Evil humans,
>also came into being in the KoW during the Ban, and were already present
>when it lifted. Why not Basmoli, too?
We can't actually state with certainty that evil humans were in the Balck Forest before the Ban. One of the many ideas that came out of the Kingdom of War thread (in the archives and well worth a read BTW) was that what was originally in the black forest in 1612 ST was defeated by questing Loskalmi knights. These knights were totally transformed or flipped out by their knowlege of how to defeat the Things-in-the-Black-Forest and now group themselves as the Kingdom of War. Lord Death upon a Horse thus becomes Sir Meriatan's Evil Twin, a Ferric Jageresque-style hero. I think he's realized the nature of how the KoW came to be and is trying to put a stop to it by killing everyone so they can't project their bad fantasies.
You can still have the Basmoli under this scheme. All you need to do is to have one of the Things-in-the-Black-that-I-can-not-will- not-must-not-recall! be a lion demon of some sort and so the Knight that slays this demon founds an order of leonic knights by the old style heraldry.
>No, your Arrolian suggestion is fine. If the Arrolians did indeed fear
>and loathe lions, then that's explanation (ie "pretext") enough for me
>to place Basmol in the KoW, before the Thaw.
There's even a phase in the Dead Sea Scrolls which runs something like 'The Lion of Wrath, who hangs his enemies up alive'.
>> If [the knights] have conquered the dragons and thus
>> gained the right to paint the motif on their shields, then it follows
>> that the knights themselves are not afraid of dragons.
>I doubt it. "conquered the dragons"? Are knights superheroes? Have you
>looked at a WB&RM Dragon counter recently? ;-)
Well, most gloranthans would consider someone who slew a wyrm, a ruler 'newt, a dream dragon or a stoorworm to be a dragonslayer. It's only deluded greybeards who claim that only people who have slain true dragons can call themselves dragonslayers.
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