On whether Malkioni experience the Transcendant.
Me>> Since the Malkioni can access [higher states within the Cosmos] with
>> their viewpoint, they can reasonably said to have transcendance in
>> their worldview for some definitions of transcendance. However that
>> is not the Standard Lunar Definition (as given in Enclosure #1) which
>> states that 'Transcedental entities exist outside normal cosmological
>> reality' and that was what I was basing my exposition on.
>Now the Lunar definition doesn't necessarily apply to God Learned
>Malkioni - Lunar experience with Malkionism is mostly based on pre-God
>Learner traditions imported by way of Syranthir and the Carmanians.
The Carmanians did develop the Romanakrin Wisdom (ie God is the Good God/Romankrinturos who is known to us as Idovanus) in response to the God Learner doctrine of the One Mind. And the Lunars know of Fronelan wisdom to claim that the doctrine Hidden Mover is influenced by Romanakrin Wisdom and that it is the Materialist perception of mystical phenomena. Hence I am positive that the Lunar Definition is applicable to 'God-Learned' Loskalmi philosophy.
>The Arrolians do pose a problem to various Lunar philosophies, it appears,
>and their influences needn't have made much of an impression in imperial
>standard definitions.
Given that the Arrolians stem in part from Pelorian refugees, I'm not certain what particular aspects of the Arrolians he is referring to. If they incorporate God Learner Wisdom from sources such as Eastpoint Polytechnic or the school of the Minderkind Sages of Riverjoin, then the Lunars will be aware of their philosophies and it will influence their definitions of transcendance.
>IMO the Outer Atomic Explorers set out to prove the Unknowable in a
>materialist sense. It may have been their findings which made the basis
>for the Silence movement in Umathela.
The earliest mention of the Unknowable that we have is the Hidden Mover which is stated to have been caused by the discovery of the number Zero or 'deep introspection caused by the Closing' or both.
IMO we should make explicit is the difference between the Things Unknown that can been Seen through the Doors of Perception and thus made Known (ie within the Cosmos), and the Things Unknown that cannot (ie without the Cosmos). Thus the OAE would have been trying to improve their knowlege of the Cosmos and by exploring the Void, the OAE made several observations which lead to the formulation of the Doctrine of the One Mind.
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