Elmal and Vinga

From: bjm10_at_cornell.edu
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:42:38 -0400 (EDT)


On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, The Glorantha Digest wrote:

> Bows: while the point has been made that Elmal and Orlanth don't get
> on all that well, I'm not convinced that Elmal and Vinga get on any

Whose Vinga? Let us not forget that Elmal would have had his bacon toasted if Vinga hadn't shown up and lent a hand at the Hill of Gold. Elmal owes Vinga big, and he's enough of a man to acknowledge that. Of course, a good Red Lady would never rub an Elmali's nose in the matter.

> Thomas notes in passing that the RoC Orlanth write-up gives him
> nothing from Elmal. Unless I'm misremembering my RQ history, Elmal
> hadn't been invented when RoC was written, had he? Any old-timers

Elmal may have been discovered in the mind and notes of GS, but he was not yet published. Furthermore, the RoC Orlanth is Orlanth as he is known in *PRAX*, not in Sartar or other northern regions, and it is quite plain that Elmal is a more northerly deity. Indeed, Lunar authorities have recently gotten their hands on a document that outlines this particular "religious cline". My sources have transmitted a copy to me through the secret Cult of Gestetner, and I've put the information up at "http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/bjm10/elmyelm.html".

> And my apologies to Joerg. How could I possibly have forgotten
> Jorganos the Archer? Quite how we have Jorganos (a human hero)
> teaching archery to Vinga (a goddess) without admitting that Vinga
> was also a human hero, and contemporary with/younger than
> Jorganos, is another matter, but one I can have a lot of fun playing

GS's elaborations on Glorantha, while often well-informed, are also fraught with error. Let us not forget that, many times, he has informed us that "everything I say is wrong".

> Similarly ascribing Vinga's skill with horses to the Red Women
> learning from their father Berenneth will mean back-dating the tuition a

Berenneth? As we all know, Umath is the father of Vinga. Berenneth is the father of Vinga. Don't confuse the two, thank you very much.

(Real world analogy time: Imagine, if you would, a world wherein Thor, in addition to being a God of Thunder, had powers of navigation and seamanship. How did it happen? Thor Hyerdal [sic], of course!)


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