>> Perhaps you can point out where a subcult of a cult has a radically
>> different worship style to the cult?
Me
>OK: Yelmalio - sitting in a retirement tower or being a Templar
Peter:
Is there a difference in worship styles between the two? I do not
think so. This arguement revolves around the point of whether the
worship of a minor deity wholely subsumed within a major one can
have a different worship style (like, for example, a materialistic
subcult within a shamanistic cult).
ME: I think there is a difference between sitting in a tower contemplating a shiny bright thing until you go blind and being a morally upstanding and righteous pillar of the Temple of the Sun Dome. The argument revolves around the definitions of worship styles which I do not believe to be exclusive but simply guides.
>Shargash: Lord of the the Dark Way; Transecendental Darkness mystics
Peter Again:
IMO the Dark Path is not a subcult of Shargash in that it exists
distinctly from the other paths. It is not therefore a subcult
along the lines of, say, Orlanth Rex which is the relationship
which is implied by the Enclosure #1 writeup.
All of your other examples are prone to these objections.
Me: so the dark path is not a subcult because it is a mystical subcult?? I feel that your argument is very weak here. Or perhaps we are arguing about the meaning of the word "subcult"
Peter>> whole stack of mystical cults. To wit, they
>> are: Aronius Jaranthir, Dayzatar, Idovanus, Jernotio, Katalyo, Rashorana,
>> Tareltara, Zaytenera. None of them need the crutch of being approachable
>> within a more understandable diety. Hence I feel it is weak to suggest
>> that Doburdon must need one.
ME
>If Rashorana, Zaytenara are not mystical branches of Rufelza, and Lunar
>Religion in genertela I would be surprised.
and I still would be/still am.
Peter:
They are seperate cults in their own right which was my point. There
are about a thousand worshippers of Zaytenera in Rinliddi, a mystical
cult that is not contained within another cult. I've snipped the rest
of your objections in adherance to rule #3 as similar counter-objections
can be levelled against them.
>Hence I feel it is weak to suggest that Doburdon does not need one.
Then why does Yelmalio _not_ have a crutch of being approachable withini a more understandable god?
ME Having never visited Rinliddi I was unaware that Zaytenara had a fully functioning cult apparatus independant of the Red Goddess and that the 1000 non-worshippers all get together to devote themselves to non-divine concepts, transcendent metaphysics etc, all for no material benefit, although of course without the benefit of being one of the Seven Forms of the Red Goddess. But surely, Rinliddi, is that where "She Who Comes" came from?
I will ignore your lack of objections to the other mystic subcults listed on the grounds that you have not persuaded me on your original objection.
With respect to Yelmalio - he is an understandable, meaning non mystic, god (from a normal worshipper POV, even if most of us get confused between him, Elmal, and all the rest), but he does have a mystic element of worship. There are specific historical reasons that the Cult of Yelmalio is seperate from other societies. IMO there are mystics in every society and they will find a means of fulfilling their mystic desires.
Every one can understand the Sky (Yelmalio), it is there for everyone to see - oh, except blind mystics who stare at the sun.
Keith Nellist
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