Peter Metcalfe:
>Was there? The Handrans didn't have any ships until Dormal contacted
>them and the Newcoast cities have sprung up as a result of the Opening.
>I think it would be more appropiate for the isles to be isolated by
>the Closing rather than have major shipping there.
Well, I don't really think that there was much sailing going on on the Mournsea either, with the Ramalian position only slightly more extreme than the rest of Slontos, but neither that the Closing did isolate the coastal islands. That would have been unique on the Genertelan coasts, not even the Pasos Isles were isolated.
>>The picture clearly depicts one of the Hero Wars battles in Dragon Pass
>>- - it is easy to make out the shaven-head Lunars, snake-headed dragonewt
>>priests etc in late 70s pictography for Glorantha.
>And this makes the text wrong in what respect?
At least the text is attributed to the wrong picture. It might attribute the wrong people to the event mentioned. Which temple in the Rightarm Isles do you think is depicted here?
>>And (having lived in similar environment): what has stung Harrek that he
>>returns from lush Maniria to behind-nothing Ygg's Isles without
>>plundering heavily along the Neliomi Sea (e.g. Loskalm, rife for
>>plucking, or Brithini Arolanit) in 1617?
>He wanted more men for his pirate raids? He only commanded one ship
>in 1616 AFAIK.
The ship Harrek took over when it attacked the one he had taken from Sog City to Seshnela (article in Tales #10)? That makes already two ships, and a likely stop at Ginorth to recruit more.
>>One would at least expect a trail of burning ports during the voyage
>>north.
>If he was sailing in a pirate fleet, this may be true. But he could
>easily be sailing in a single boat in an attempt to reach Ygg's Isles
>and become their champion.
There are people who would claim that Harrek afloat in a bathing tub was a pirate fleet...
>Having Harrek join the Wolf Pirates in 1614-16 makes the statement that
>he did so while in a ship travelling from Loskalm to Seshnela more
>explicable. Harrek is sailing from Loskalm because he has just sacked
>Sog City and he wants to lie low for a while. The Wolf Pirates attacked
>him there because there is a colony of them on the Isle of Ginorth.
Nice summary of the facts, and no problem with this. Harrek's plundering of Sog City takes place sometime in 1615. We know from Esrolia 1624 and Boldhome 1630 that Harrek enjoys a prolonged drunk after a successful plunder, so he may have left Fronela only late in 1615, or even early in 1616. Given the sailing condition in Dark and Storm Season (Missing Lands p.98f), and Harrek's lack of nautical experience - and likely also lack of trust - I find Sea Season 1616 most likely.
>If Harrek joined the wolf pirates _after_ he had been crowned champion
>of Ygg, as Joerg seems to think is the case,
A case of misunderstanding, once again.
>then we would have suicidal
>wolf pirates in one ship attacking a Yggite Fleet. Harrek kills most
>of them, abandons his fleet and sails to Three Steps. Makes sense?
>Not to me, I'm afraid.
Not to me either. See below.
>If Joerg has an alternative history of what Harrek did, after he sacked
>Sog City to being the feared leader of the Wolf Pirates on threesteps as
>of 1621, I'ld be interested to hear it.
My story is very simple and covers all the facts mentioned in Genertela Book p.13 and the Wolf Pirates article in Tales 10:
Harrek, having raided Sog City, sets sail from Fronela for Seshnela (1615 or 1616).
Wolf Pirates raid his ship, he slays dozens of them.
Wolf Pirates see his potential as leader, bring him to Ygg's Isles.
Harrek quests (surely more than just arrives?) to become champion of Ygg, has Ice Serpent built. Neither will have been done overnight.
In 1617, Harrek sets sail to Threestep Isles with half the Yggling population. (This too will have required some preparations. Viking migration sagas to Iceland usually have a year of preparations - sedentary goods and land to be exchanged into travel goods.)
My only omission is the legend of that White Bear & Red Moon cover in Glorantha Book, for the reasons above. Peter's version has the advantage of covering that event, mine has the advantage of simplicity.
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