Me>> Why would Uleria want to negate the Disorder of the Boggles? Their
>> nature is good for the existance of the Cosmos.
> No one said that it was permanent, only while they were together.
I don't see why anybody would want to temporarily negate their disorder. That's not what the myth says. Instead Uleria loved them in order to find a place for them within the cosmos where they could be themselves.
>Uleria was the only one who could touch them without
>Disorder having the same effects that it did on everyone else.
Umm, her holy day is in Disorder Week (the God Learners were shocked by this revelation) and the myth does make it clear that she was affected by Disorder.
>If she was Fertility, Disorder should have
>spilled the 'cup of life' or something similar.
"Thus the fabric of life was rent in many places by the gobbling Boggle Demons, so that ever afterwards in Glorantha Love was called Uleria's Net" Wyrms Footprints p38.
>why did the destruction of the Spike -hurt- Uleria?
>Because it damaged the Harmony of the World and weakened her power.
Chaos is not just harmony as one can see from Gark the Calm. It is anti-cosmos and the spike stood for everything within the Cosmos. Thus the destruction of the Spike damaged Disorder and Conflict just as it did Harmony.
>One might argue that it damaged the life force of the world, but
>the Spike is associated with Law, Balance, and Stability, not
>Life or Fertility.
Then you're not aware that the merfolk remember the Spike as the Sea Heart or that it is labelled Umath's Throne in trollpak?
>> You do notice that Harana Ilor does not appear in the myth?
>Harana is the predecessor to Chalana (and would probably be gone at this
>point).
Umm, on what grounds do you think that Harana is "gone at this point"?
>Side note: Uleria is noted for courtesans, and courtesans are noted for
>singing and playing music...
Curious. I thought they were primarily sex workers.
>> The reason she doesn't is that Disorder is intrinsically opposed
>> to Harmony and thus trying to impose harmony on the Boggles
>> would have done nothing.
>Bringing opposites together ALWAYS does something. They attract,
>conflict, or negate... usually more than one at once.
So why doesn't Harana try to tame the boggles? Remember Greg is writing this from the viewpoint that Harana is Harmony and Uleria is Love.
>> Then why does [Chalana] have no fertility magic?
>Reread my previous post... ALL Healing, restoration, and resurrection
>magic is Fertility magic.
I'm sorry but healing magic _is_ harmony magic according to the Runequest 3 Book 5.
>> Ernalda does not abjure violence and has asked Orlanth to
>> beat up Daga.
>Orlanth said "violence is always an option", and Ernalda said "there is
>always another way". One exception out of all of those myths hardly makes
>a case, since she said 'don't use violence' far more often than she said
>'use violence'. She clearly abjures violence
If so, you are using a different meaning of abjure from common usage. She does tolerate violence as she has a daughter whose duty is to punish those who defile the earth as well as well as maintain cordial relations with many grim and violent deities.
> but not to the degree that
>Chalana does, because her tie to Fertility is weaker by my premise, and
>this supports my premise.
Ernalda also has a harmony rune in Gods of Glorantha. Thus you can't say whether her disdain of violence is due to the harmony rune or the fertility rune (God Learnerwise).
>Fertility cults abjure violence & Death and the
>controller of Fertility strongly opposes violence & Death.
Eiritha, Aldrya, Asrelia, the Grain Goddesses and Xiola Umbar do not oppose violence and death. The Orlanthi certainly haven't noticed any problems in sacrificing cows to Ernalda although Chalana does get shirty if one sacrifices cows or thralls to her.
>> Chalana's vows could easily stem from an opposition to disorder
>> and violence rather than death. Disorder destroys the harmony
>> of the body and so must be opposed.
>But violence is an attempt to impose Death, not Disorder.
So if I throw a punch at someone, I am attempting to kill him? Greg, when writing about the violent nature of the Storm Gods, linked them to disorder, not death.
>I don't see why anyone who has played Pendragon trait pairs doesn't see
>that these are clear cases of trait oppositions.
So why do you think Harmony can overcome Disorder?
End of The Glorantha Digest V7 #212
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