Alex:
> I don't think you can get to 15W4 by 'mundane' means, and Onslaught
> seems (depressingly) mundane, that's my essential objection.>>
Me:
>I agree that 15wwww is too high, but admit that I am not really qualified
to
>comment (not having read much of Onslaught's endeavours, nor fully
grasping
>Hero War power levels.
Its about right for a decent hero. Aronius Joranthir or Yelmgatha would be in this category of deity.
Wesley:
> In a one-on-one fight I can see Onslaught being on par with Jar-Eel and
> Harrek
Alex :
Words fail me. >>
>Me: Words don't fail me, the words I would use are 'don't be ridiculous'!
Actually, Wes is making an important point that people seem to be poo-pooing on the grounds that it "weren't so in RQ, so it can't be so now". Firstly, Harrek has tremendous resources from his cloak. That is an item, it can be _removed_. He has a magical sword, this can be removed. He has a large warband which can also be removed. If I were attempting to defeat Harrek, then you would never fight him strength vs strength.
Similarily with Jar-eel, she is backed by the Empire but is she really that tough without her herosword and band?
Where I see Onslaught being creamed every time by the likes of Harrek and Jar-eel, is terms of support, gear and their own strengths as HQers. Of the two, I think Jar-eel wins out because unlike Harrek, she has armies of scholars and priests who advise her on her enemies weaknesses and work relentlessly to bring their strengths down. IMO, she only did so well against Harrek because he had been thoroughly studied in the Empire when he was a Gladiator and Dart Competitor. She knew his weaknesses and he knew few of hers.
Harrek is more of a stand alone hero, although he also wins powers by occupying positions, like Champion of Ygg frex.
The correct way to see hero clashes is like watching two boxers go into the ring. The actual boxer is often not as important as the support staff. If the trainer good, has he identified their weaknesses? Has he trained the fighter to exploit them? Have the rival camp done the same or changed their mans style? The complexity of heroic combat will be well shown in the HW rules IMO.
I think Gregs best example is Morden. The enemy leave because they are NOT READY for Morden, who has been ready for them for ages. This was a failure of intelligence on their part. A canny hero finds out the weaknesses of his enemy before he goes anywhere near him.
Martin Laurie
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