> the sources give us several (three or four?...) genealogies for A...
I know of three, plus some confusion over Brenna.
1a) The "Startar Dynasty", p48, is a family tree which shows Dorasor "Prince of Pavis" having two children, Daringle and Brenna. Maybe these were the legitimate children, and "our" Brenna was named after her aunt?
2) CHDP, p156. "Argrath" lights the Flame, and claims to be the son of Maniski and Yanioth Two-Sight, a descendant of Minara.
3) "Argrath" visits the Colymar, early in his reign, and claims membership of the tribe because of his family: he is the son of Venharl the Climber, a descendant of the Karandoli clan.
Our identification of Brenna with the Harvest Queen, and AofP as the son of Garrath, sorts out where one of the extra ancestries comes from. My own explanation of the remaining two relies on the fact that "Argrath's" parents died when he was very young: he would then have been fostered, and the additional ancestry is that of his foster parents.
Interestingly, the Karandoli of ancestry 3 seem to have vanished from Sartar and founded the City of Thieves, now known as Badside, a long time before Dorasor got to Pavis. Venharl the Climber seems to have been a Pavis-based adventurer. So Garrath could have been born in Pavis, of Venharl and an unknown mother. If the mother died when he was young, he could then have been fostered with Maniski and Yanioth (in the Starfire Ridges, according to tradition). And Venharl would simply have wandered off. He seems to have a son called Arnbord in Pavis who's a poet and story-teller (KoS p235), unless of course this is Garrath in disguise.
Argrath White Bull I still see as being a third Argrath, myself. He spends a lot of time wandering Prax as a slave of the Bison tribe at a time when Garrath was a notable member of the Orlanth temple in Pavis. I just don't see the Bisons letting their slaves have time off to attend to temple duties.
Now of course, since AWB was a slave, not a member of the tribe, he may well have been captured from another homeland entirely. My preferred story makes him Sartarite by birth, and about 10 years older than Garrath, but....
As MOB pointed out, the children Garrath sired in Garhound would probably have been twins. We know what happened to Enostar. What about the other one? My initial thought was that the other one (gender unknown) is a PC, but having him captured by the Bisons might be even more fun!
After 1625? Yes, we need to get rid of some extra Argraths. In the period 1625 - 1630, we have near civil war in Sartar, with "Argrath" (Garrath, for my money) controling the north, and Kallyr controlling the south and Boldhome.
AWB is known to have been one of Kallyr's supporters. I'd say he either dies on her SLBQ, or facing Harrek. One down!
AofP is known to have quarreled with the Telmori in 1629 (p212), but so far I have no idea why.
The Mularik story starts with Argrath owing Mularik a favour from when they travelled with the Wolf-pirates together. That's Garrath! Mularik then gets over-ambitious, and Garrath does a "will no-one rid me of this troublesome priestXXXXXX king?" to be rid of him. No need for more than one Argrath to be involved, here.
Those marriages, though. Roger's got some good points here. I don't see any of the Argraths marrying Kallyr, but they do get through too many FHQs and the infant Queen of Holay in a very short space of time.
16??: Saga, "Argrath" marries the FHQ. Again. Either renewing the previous marriage, or this was a different Argrath.
It would be nice to end up with Roger's conclusion of only one surviving Argrath. How about this?
In the 1625-1630 civil war, AofP is not as loyal to his dad (the one who abandoned him, remember?) as Dad might wish. In fact, he's the one who gets nominated as Kallyr's heir, since he has Sartar blood (which Garrath doesn't!). Kallyr may have thought being nice to Garrath's son would mollify him somewhat. In fact Garrath has now realised that the kid isn't an ally, he's the competition.
1629, AofP gets pulled from Pavis to Sartar, perhaps for the first time, and used as the proxy in the FHQ marriage. For the first time, he meets Kallyr's Telmori allies, and doesn't get on with them at all. Rather than being Kallyr's ally as she had hoped, he uses the FHQ power to become Side 3 in the civil war.
We want to end up with just one Argrath who is both KoDP and King of Saird via Holay. My guess would be that AofP marries the FHQ, Garrath gets the Queen of Holay, and on Garrath's death (pick a battle, any battle, and allow for back-stabs) AofP inherits his position in Saird. Garrath has to survive until 1640 at this rate, so that the "upcoming wedding" isn't bigamous, but after that he's superfluous to the plot. I suppose we could have him sacrificed 7 years after his marriage?
Anyone else who's studied Argrath's battles post-1630 got any better ideas on this one? Peter? Joerg?
Jane Williams jane_at_williams.nildram.co.uk http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~janewill/gloranth/
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