> <<The Ultimate Goal of dragonewt
> mysticism is to become One with the Void that is
> Ourobouros, in the Heart of Chaos, in the Outside of
> Existence. To acheive this, Ourobouros (and the
> dragonewts) must Devour the World.>>
>
> IMG, but I suppose in most Gloranthas, Julian, this is not a condivisible
> concept.
This is a difficult thread that hasn't been done properly either on-list or in-print : the people to ask are Nils and Alex. Peter knows much of these matters, and a David (and I hope I'm not forgetting anyone ... ). I know some of it.
But Nils and Alex have the *facts*.
> The purposes of Chaos and of Dragonewts are opposed, not similar IMO.
> Yes, there are affinities: both devour and both refuse the material balanced
> world in Time, but, a big BUT, for altogether different reasons.
YES. Chaos Void and Mystic Void are two different Voids.
I once argued the opposite point, to try to understand why your statement is correct ; but also because I once believed that there might be some kind of transcendental relationship between the different cultural concepts of Void.
This turned out to be incorrect ; BUT, the dragonewts *do* link them IMO ; BUT they always do everything arse-leftwards anyway, and even their Mysticism, as Nils' and Peter's *wonderful* posts on 'newt eggs have demonstrated.
> Let's take the Orlanthi explanation of Chaos as a starting point:
Wrong starting point I'm afraid :
the Orlanthi/GL explanation of the void is simply Non-Mystic, and incompatible with dragonewtism.
> Yes, some effects (powerful magics, huge destructions, hypermundane
> manifestations) are common to both Chaos and DragonLore, but the goals are
> opposite, I repeat, and not easily comparable.
You've the right instincts, though. :-)
> Anyway, what evidence do we have, I ask, that Draconism was ever defeated or
> tainted by Chaos?
None. It wasn't. But the *dragonewts* (and probably not many other beings) believe IMO and IMG (YGM and probably *will* V) in a genetic relationship of Void > Chaos that Peter's Egg Myth explains VERY neatly, and elegantly.
> They are on two different planes of power and magic and
> even of void and eating, I deem.
Not from most mystic POVs.
> Help me with some pointing observations, I could wander in the void myself
> if I keep on speculating about these matters all by myself...
I sympathise : been there myself (all too often ... ) ;-)
auguri,
Julian Lord
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