<< OTOH, we know from the Life of Harmast story (unpublished draft) that
Vadrus
still received active worship from Heortlings in the First Age. This
suggests to me that he ended up "killed by Chaos in the Godtime" in the
Second Age, presumably by God Learner machinations. I recall Greg enjoying
this suggestion eight or nine years ago. For what it's worth.>>
I am enjoying it now. FWIW. It also ties in with all those sources telling us he died in the god time; how would anyone know unless some godlearner saw it/did it? It doth protest too much. Godlearner, just back from the godplane; "did you kill Vadrus?" "me? Vadrus? no, by golly, he was killed in the godtime...probably by foul chaos..not be me in any way whatsoever.."
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:23:38 -0000
From: "Nick Brooke" <Nick_Brooke_at_btinternet.com>
Subject: Kabbalah
Peter Metcalfe writes:
> Repetitious numerological analysis of the holy book (a la the Bible
> Code) does not come close to the model of the Zzaburi as given in:
>
> Sorcerers are followers of Zzabur's model of an impersonal
> God. Sorcerers are scholars, as opposed to the more religious
> wizards. They spend their time researching the nature of
> the world, either through reading dusty tomes and performing
> experiments, or out in the field investigating God's
> creation first-hand.
Now, *I* see these passages as near-perfect overlaps. How do you think a Kabbalist would "research the nature of the world through reading dusty tomes and performing experiments"? No reason whatsoever to dismiss the idea that *some* Malkioni use gematria, numerology, random dips into scripture, etc. as experimental methods to divine the will of the Divine.
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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:23:42 -0000
From: "Nick Brooke" <Nick_Brooke_at_btinternet.com>
Subject: Dwarf Sorcerers and Sailors
Olli asks:
> So the dwarves could lose their immortality if they would learn spells
> from human grimoires and would not propably understand them either.
You are writing rather loosely. I would phrase this as:
"A dwarf would probably have difficulty learning a spell from a human grimoire, and would probably endanger his immortality by doing so."
> They would certainly lose their immortality if they would venerate
> saints.
Very likely so. However, they would gain spiritual immortality (Solace in Glory) to replace the unending bodily stasis they currently endure. A dwarf who venerated saints would see this as a gain.
> The elves have even harder time learning sorcery. Maybe they COULD
> venerate saints... Am I right?
I don't know. Sandy Petersen's old sorcery rules suggested that elves couldn't learn sorcery. I think venerating the saints would be easier for an elf than practicing atheist book-bound sorcery - and vice versa for dwarfs. Does this help?
> Now how on earth... Sorry about that... Glorantha have they both learned
> the Open Seas spell from Dormal's Grimoire?!?
Do we know for sure that they did? :-)
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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:23:40 -0000
From: "Nick Brooke" <Nick_Brooke_at_btinternet.com>
Subject: Poss sighted in Greenwich...
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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:55:04 +0200 (EET)
From: tzpitkan_at_mappi.helsinki.fi
Subject: Shargash - Vadrus
Peter Metcalfe:
[About connection between Shargash&Vadrus]
> Greg might have been saying that he once thought there was but does
> not now think so.
Yes, that is also my understanding what Greg meant.
> >"What myths are there about final fate of Vadrus?"
> Killed by chaos is the only known detail so far although it's been
> repeated quite a few times such that it's probably literally true.
My basic assumptions were correct then. My conclusions and speculations may
not
be consistent with Glorantha, and that is why I want feedback from people
who
know the lozenge.
I think I would like to base a scenario or mini-campaign around this subject.
I'm not arguing what is 'truly' true. I want to know how hard it would be to identify Shargash to be Vadrus.
Myself, I am prepared for marginal defeat on the axis where complete victory
migth change the gloranthan canon and complete defeat would get me banned
from
the digest for exhibiting bad ideas.
"Any worldwiew that isn't strange is automatically false." >>
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