Re: Mixed Worship

From: Thomas McVey <tmcvey_at_sric.sri.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:03:04 -0800


>
> Subject: Mixed Worship
>
> Thomas McVey wrote:
> > I'm thinking of someone like Maculus the Monitor, who was a sorceror and an
> Irrippi Ontor initiate at the same time.
>
> And an illuminate, which may be a way out of this dilemna.

Arggh! Now we'd have to add mysticism into his bag of tricks!

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>
> > Also, GoG notes that certain cults (like Etyries) were open to sorcerors.
>
> In RQ the line was drawn differently - sorcerer's couldn't indulge in spirit
> magic, but could join cults. Are we officially Gregging that?

? Maybe that was in someof the rules on sorcery (e.g. Sandy's rules) to attempt to repair the badly-broken sorcery rules in RQ3, but don't recall it in "official" RQ3 stuff. In fact, not only could Maculus cast spirit magic, he could use Lunar Sorcery to amplify/extend/do weird things to spirit magic.

(Think MOB has a webpage somewhere describing Maculus casting a Protection 12 on some poor beggar getting biffed by a street bully just for a laugh).

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> Maybe what we need is a Worship Wheel. The standard types -
> Animism/Theism/Sorcery/Mysticism - are points on the periphery. Every
> cult/group sits somewhere on the circumference. Kyger Litor is on the segment
> between animism and theism, for instance, while the Aeolians and the cults of
> the saints sit on the theism-sorcery arc. The various abilities are also
> spread out on the circumference, and any nearby are available to a cult.
> Would a model like this help or confuse everything further?

I suspect the latter, though it might be appropriate to have a "only moderately impure worship" category, say where the extra tariff to raise/acquire skills was 1.5X rather than 2X.

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> From: Peter Metcalfe <metcalph_at_bigfoot.com>
> Subject: Dual ways
>
> Thomas McVey:
>
> >Now, is it completely impossible for someone to practice sorcerous
> >magic and theistic magic at the same time?
>
> No, it is not. But unless you have some special insight or
> cosmic knowledge,

Like say, illumination, or serving a god of knowledge, or following the path of your chosen hero/demigod/saint (e.g. Etyzaal the Alchemist followed Irrippi until he discovered the path of Wisdom Thru Unspeakable Experiments), or just being a Weird Lunar?

> dual practices will hinder rather than
> enhance. At the least, learning secrets will be impossible.

For the "minor" path or the both paths? I can accept the minor path's secrets being closed (based on the RW analogy that there's not many folks with two PhDs), but not the main path's secret, unless that's not "culturally appropriate"

Seems a bit strange that an Irrippi Ontor (or even an LM) initiate or devotee dabbling in a bit of soulless sorcery would prevent them from learning the secret of their god. What else is the "Read Malkoni Writings" feat in the IO writeup for?

On the other hand, I do think that an Orlanthi devotee learning soul-sucking sorcery would mess up their rapport with the great windbag.

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> From: Graham Robinson <gjr_at_thestableyard.net>
>
> Certainly what we've been doing - and I understood from a previous
> discussion on one of the HW lists that this was 'correct' - is to treat a
> person's main religion as determining their type, and anything else as
> misapplied. So in your example, Irripi Ontor would provide a grimoire
> of spells that resembled the appropriate feats.

Sounds like maybe the best way out of the dilemma. So, would an Irrippi Ontor devotee then get a "feat" like a spell if they studied a Malkioni or Lunar grimoire? Woudl any affinity come with that study?

Tom


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