Re: The Glorantha Digest V8 #304

From: Coridan <argrath_at_agoron.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:00:51 -0000


> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:06:08 -0800
> From: Greg Stafford <greg_at_glorantha.com>
> Subject: Nysalor
>
> At 07:24 PM 3/13/2001 -0800, you wrote:
> >Stephen Tempest:
> >
> >>Me>The aim of the God Project was not to create a God of Light nor
> >> >did the Uz withdraw because of that reason.
> >
> >>Interesting. Did the Dara Happans and Aldryami hijack the project
> >>after the others left, and make Nysalor a god of Light when he wasn't
> >>one before?
>
> Yes.

This implies to me that the God Project was simply turned into an attempt to bring back the timeless stasis of the golden age, and for Yelm to throw off the shackles of the Compromise, and return to his former glory and power. This attempt continues in his latest avatar, Sedenya.

Beware Yelm the Deciever, Yelm the Gbaji!

Food for thought!

>
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:11:27 -0600
> From: Peter Larsen <plarsen_at_mail.utexas.edu>
> Subject: Malkioni nihilism
>
> Jerome Blondel says:
>
> >I suppose some Godlearners were aware that basic axioms were unprovable,
and
> >messed up a lot with Glorantha's axioms as to devise powerful spells and
> >heroquests and Flying Pig Gods. 'Hmm. Let the others play with the
Monomyth
> >and see what's going to happen if i use this axiom instead of this one.
> >After all, you can't prove which is true'. This realization was lost to
> >Malkiondom with many other things when the Cosmos set things back in
proper
> >order.
>
> It occurs to me that this is a pitfall that has affected more than one
> Gloranthan culture. When Malkioni sorcerors work down the chains of
magical
> "proofs" until they reach the nihilistic realization that it doesn't
> matter, that x can be exchanged for y, they disrupt the ballance of the
> universe. Similarly, when Nysolarian mystics worked down the conceptual
> chain to the realization that "nothing is true; all is permitted," they
> engaged in appalling practices. These annihilatory realizations are not
> necessarily evil, but it takes a strong character to avoid moral
> corruption. I wonder if theism and animism have similar pitfalls?

This proves to me the universality of Chaos. The I Fought We Won proves that a *choice* must be made to exist, in the face of all so called rationality... Chaos will use whatever trick is necessary to annihiliate individual identity. Chaos attacks on all levels, either as gods, with physical or magical violence, or or as philosophical concepts, such as Illumination wisdom. All these roads lead down into the maw of Kajabor and Wakboth.

Theism and Animism don't often deal in these kinds of concepts, but there is the raw power that chaotic gods and spirits offer. Worship of these entities contributes to the murder of the cosmos itself, and those who progress far into these paths no doubt come to this realization at some point, most likely when it's too late.

> Peter Larsen

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