Elvish stuff

From: Peter Metcalfe <metcalph_at_bigfoot.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:52:32 +1200

Chris Lemens:

>Me>I don't think there are any "sorcerous" Aldryami. That there are
> >sorcerous plants is a given (just as there are sorcerous animals)
> >but they are not in the Song.

>I'd have said the same about theistic trees before Greg said they exist
>within the song. If theistic plants can be inside it, why can't sorcerous

Well for starters, Greg hasn't said that sorcerous plants exist within the Song (as opposed to explicitly listing animistic and theistic plants). To me, it's a question of look-n-feel: arguing the Song includes Sorcery is like arguing that the World Machine has animist and theist elements.

If you prefer a cosmological argument, then I hazard the Song does not contain sorcery because that is the ethos of the Mostali (cue: the Grower/Maker duality).

> >That said a mystic tree is a solecism
> >as all worldviews have some measure of transcendent consciousness.

>Hey, no fair using your degree in philosophy.

Don't have one. Haven't even taken a philosophy paper.

>What does this mean in smaller words? All trees are mystics?

All aldryami trees have some degree of transcendent identity through their participation in the Song.

> >I think [Elves and Trolls] do [suffer Alien World penalty in the God
> >World] _if_ they are attuned to the animist path.

>Fair point. Greg said that they worship using spiritual practices.

Except for the few that use theistic practices (wild guess: Ernalda, Babeester, Yelorna)...

>So, there are (a) no alien world penalty in the Spirit and Under worlds
>and (b) alien world penalties in the God and Sorcery worlds?

For animist elves, yes.

> >>If so, I wonder if there are areas in which neither Elves nor
> Orlanthi >>suffer Alien World penalties - a kind of border region of overlap.

> >The Land of the Dead.

>Hmm. I kinda thought (after reading GRoY too many times) that Underworld =
>Land of the Dead. That is, if you are in the Underworld, you're dead by
>definition. Simon Hibbs (see below) thought so also. If so, why would
>Aldrya stay in the underworld after the world returns to life?

I think Aldrya lives in this world and that the Aldryami otherworld is the world of the Taker. Things that live here appear dead there and vice versa.

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