Thank you for your Letter, I just want to contact with you about Translation of Four Sheng's Tales: Empire, Black King, Freedom and Tiger & Ox in the Wesley Quadros' Site.
I think such works always should be thought from the point of view for Study
of
Comparison, even most isolated Culture indicates something itself. Pent has
borders to Great Waste, Kingdom of Ignorance, H'Har As Jing. And Pentans
always contact more Civilised Cultures through such Buffer Areas. Such as
Pavis Occupation of Uz under Seleran Empire, Li Phanquan's Undead Hunt
during Secret Strife between NDR and EWF are cases. (IMO both of them had
appetite to
Trading Foreign Goods for their own Civilized Merchants.) Early First Age
Victory of Kralorelans against Praxians is also another example.. (Tales
Prax Special mentioned such
events.)
I guess Description of Sha Yar Valley is one of Such Attempt.
> Hi there
>
> Saw your post on the GD, thought I'd comment.
>
> >>In Gods of Glorantha, early 16th Century (1500-1520?) one Jrusteli
called
> Corbybran (Sorry, but I don't have English Version Gods of Glorantha, so I
> don't know accurate spelling of his name) wrote Hill Range in the Middle
of
> Pentan Plain in his World Map. (But later anyone who visited there don't
> find any such place...)>>
>
> I've talked to Greg about this mountain range in Pent, and talked him into
> its existence and the weird things that might be there. Its a huge range
and
> could contain several countries the size and terrain of Sartar.
>
IMHO, Gloranthan Element of Light attributes Power of Truth in a sence as
Daliath of Water Domain: in Dara Happan area, Dayzatar was assigned such
Role. I think
very strange fact such "Godlearnish" egalitarian Traveller still existed in
16C Jrustela. I think his homeland nature permit him to get to such Place
under Illusionary Magic or Such Effects. Maybe there is Magical Effect? Lop
Nor Lake?
There can be Plenty of ideas to Places of Interest and Past Important
Persons: Egyptian? Hermits, Magicians
of Theists, Animists and Mystics from Palarell of RW Middle Asia.
FREX RW analogy, some of Ancient Chinese Dynasty controlled Tien Shan
Area,
Persians ruled Western Amu Darya. (Maybe I can apply Rinliddians or Blue
Moonies later succumbed by DHs and Chaos Minions...) I think if Kralorelans
and Dara Happans physically clashed in past event of Glorantha, I think such
event has possibilty during Kastok's Invasion.
Me:
> >>David Dunham and Rob Heinsoo discussed about Grazelanders and other
Horse
> Nomads in the Glorantha Con 4, about their Living. and Cultural
Resemblance
> to RW analogy.
> In RW, they used Wagons and Yurts made from Woods which Gloranthan Pentans
> cannot find these Blank Area Map. If Greg Stafford have Great Planning
about
> this Area...>>
>
You:
> Exactly. There is a massive Taiga region in northern Pent, that stretches
> down to the mountains IMO and north of it is a tundra that is very
unpleasant
> and similar to northern Siberia.
>
Siberia Taiga...I can apply them to Hsunchens or Aldryami for Such Places
like other Gloranthan Places. Unless you want to put some particular nature
to these places not similar to Europian Inhabitants Nymph (Greek) , Elf
(Germans and Celts) ...If we use more Eastern Vithelan setting for Pent. I
think more
> >>Now I read about the Middle Asian History, Many Oasis Cities near
Taklimakan
> Desert, Pamir highlands, Tian Shan North Road and South Road...about many
> Europian Explorers before Chinese Communism.>>
>
I can apply Gloranthan Parallel One of "Argrath" to "Europian" Explorers. Gonn Orta and Argrath may long wander to Pent and meet Pentan Heroquesters. As Harmast went to Ralios for rescuing Arkat.
You:
> Yes, this is the approach I've been using. I think that Pent has a large
> number of otherwise unkown civilisations which include in some cities of
> considerable scale. We've had discussions on this subject on the Kralori
> discussion group. In part these are cultures that are indigenous BUT
there
> are a large number who were transplanted by Sheng during his rule. They
are
> still there in part, some flourished and some have failed. Pent will be
full
> of surprises. I intend to map Pent to the same scale of the Imperial map.
>
But one Big Problem is he ruled only 75 years, though Mongolian Rule is
relatively
short in comparison with other conquest Dynasties of Nomad RW...many Islamic
Cultures have long struggled for expelling Mongolian line and Tradition from
their Lands...Timur, Indian Mongol Dynasty, Russian Kipchaks. Sheng never
founded his Dynasty over his Domain as other Demigod Rule of Glorantha...I
think Europians usually ignore Meaning of Blood in the Oriental
Circumstance.
> >>RW Middle Asian Population composed widely with Iranian, Mongolian,
Turkian,
> and minorities, (Greek, Arabian, Slavian, Tibetan...) from Caucasian
Family
> and Mongolian Family in the classification of Language, Pentan Population
is
> more than twice of Praxians...If these stocks include all of these
> Categories of RW...very very long work is required....
> >>
>
> Agreed! Perhaps you would be interested in doing some work on it in
> conjunction with me?
>
"conjunction"... Very Sweet Word. If I can, I should speculate more about
Middle Asia.
> Regards
>
I think Lunar Empire has more resemblance to RW
China in the term of Geography than Kralorela. On the other matters, Chinese
Mongolian Dynasty lost their Strength for Opium of Tibetan Lama Buddhism...
Seeds of Idea derived from RW Chinese Parallel
/Great General (Blood of Historians) conquer many City States of Middle Pentan. "We cannot catch Child of Tiger without venturing to Tiger's Den!"
/Other General: Chinese General warred against an Usurper of India (Teshnan?) with Tibetan Army (Pentan?).
/Beautiful Princess wedded with Barbarian Chieftain for Welfare of Two Empire."Painter, why you wrote her such hideously? You shall die!"
/Ancient Emperor went to Paradise of Western Mountain Area (Kunlun? or Indian Sumeru?) and met with Western Faerie Queen.
/Emissary to "Enemy of Enemy", captured and enslaved by enemies, but he never forgets his homeland and fealty.\
/Ambitious Emperor wants Good Horses: Conquest for Good Horses. "Castrate this Historian!"
/Mysterious Ruined City, many dead scrolls for heretic cults...
Early Chinese Dynasties had been relatively Expansionists before Confucianism intensified. I think before Lui Wui founded Iron Forts, such scheme could exist.
Words of Confucious:
"Teacher, if you were truly Saint, we would meet such calamity?"
"Saint also meet calamity, but pipsqueak meet calamity, they go to mad."
"Teacher, why are you so all-rounder to such many arts?" "Because I am Bastard Child of my father, so I must be brought up with hardship. But Saint don't need to become all rounder.Virtue is all."
Ladder of Yuthubars
Before Waters invaded to Dara Happa, people could see Yelm directly sat on the Throne over Soil. That was best. But while Others wanted to see their Emperor, Yelm avoided their dirty fingers and appointed his greatest son as his Successor, ascended to his Brother's Position. Murharzarm safely defeated Nestendos and kept on ruling his Empire.
But some of pure people were still permitted to meet Yelm and saw Light of Dayzatar directly, because Murharzarm made Long Ladder from Yam Tree (Later, Anaxial used same Tree for making his Ark.) and installed it to back of his Throne Raibanth at the Center of City Yuthubars to the Sky for such people could freely achieve to the position of Yelm.
But that is not enough, when Terminus came to palace, he could not see his Weapon because Bat Mahaquata blinded him with her Wings. So he became first Dead. And other his subjects also started to walk Downward after they met Misfortune and Accident, too. Bijiif also descended to Underworld and didn't return back long. Dijigelms and Serpents wanted to climb up Ladder of Yuthubars, so Antirius cut down that Ladder and gave secretly its wood to Anaxial. But when people of Yuthubars saw their Ladder cut down, they raged and looked for a thief. Anaxial hid it dismantled and safely keep them undiscovered.
After Flood struck and receded, Anaxial managed to return back Homeland and started to distribute Lands to his Surviving Supporters. Antirius said the Hill of Herustana would become Great City of Dara Happa because Ship of Anaxial still lay long over that Hill. But former Yuthubarsians and Alkothians argued about which should be better for the Capital of Dara Happa, Yuthuppa, founded over Holy Yuthubars and Raibanth, city of Murharzarm. They also disputed about how to recover their city because Yuthubarsians always wanted to make Towers for Watching Sky and Alkothians always wanted to dig Ditches and make Walls, and their argument went to too hot. Even Gods joined to one of two sides. And they started to bring Flails and Maces to Agora.
Anaxial and Raibanthians took Compromise for two Sides and made both cities as Capitals by Two Years shift. But later, an Alkothian General broke this idea with trick. And Yuthubarsian Priests long resent to this Insult and always stopped Emperors free Shargash from Binding. And Empire gradually weakened itself for this Inner Conflict.
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