Great Gods and Echoes

From: Peter Metcalfe <>
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:25:44 +1200

Chris Lemens:

>It seems to me that we have some very concrete
>in-world evidence of some eqeuivalence between theist
>gods and sorcerous (loosely used) false gods and
>saints. For example, Worlath, Humct, etc.

I don't think False Gods are sorcerous entities. Rather they appear in the Malkioni cosmology not because they appear in their otherworld, but because they have real effects in the mundane world that the Malkioni must explain.

Worlath is worshipped by the Aeolians as a Divine Saint and going by the example of Saint Taurox, the object of their worship is a theistic god rather than a sorcerous entity.

>Orlanth, you have animist Rain Man/Little Brother in
>Prax and sorcerous Worlath.

AFAIK Little Brother is misapplied ecstatic worship of Orlanth rather than an actual echo.

Apart from mindless quibbling about the examples, I should point out that 'echo' carries the wrong word as it implies the corresponding entity in another world is weaker than it is in the Godplane which I don't think to be true.

Rather the model should look like:

with all three lesser concepts being of equal strength. Now this is an ideal and so there would be holes in this scheme as a result of the Gods War.

Secondly I don't think that the cognate entities will be carbon copies of each other (or as close as possible). Orlanth's spirit-cognate IMO is not an animist version of Orlanth but possibly Kolat. Ernalda's spirit-cognate might be the Earth Witch.

>This makes me wonder what sort of events you can
>access related to each great god from its various
>otherworld homes.

Given the example of Orlanth's home, I don't think there's any direct connection. Rather one has to go through the ninth door (or equivalent) and then go back through the sorcerous or spirit gate. A much quicker way for the Orlanthi (if the Kolat speculation is correct) would be to go to Mount Doktados and find the Cave of Winds.

A problem with this theory is that it implies that the Great Spirits are constant across Glorantha which I'm not altogether sure about. For example: are both Kendamalanar (the Agimori Sun Spirit) and Halamalao the same entity as Kargzant? If not, then how do they differ?

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