Volsaxar

From: TERRA INCOGNITA <inarsus-ferilt-z_at_mrg.biglobe.ne.jp>
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 02:06:48 +0900


"Here are reports on debates still in progress." Heortland Population is 500,000. (In Old Genertela Box Set) (Sartar: 180,000 and Tarsh: 360,000) See the comparison of scale in Unspoken Word Tarsh!

If Heortland Territorial Map is similar to 14C Holy Roman Empire feudal structure, maybe each effort to reach consequence will come to vain and I should go to bed before such map (more Complicated than Modern Ralios!) makes my simple brain discharged.

At least, Volsaxar is a part of Heortland surrounding Whitewall.

In Tradetalk #4 p. 17, Four Large "Tribes" (on the comparison of Sartari Tribes) share Whole Heortland. Hendriki, Solthni, Minthings and Bandori. It seems Volsaxi is part of Hendriki or a "baywindow" of Hendriki. (And we should consider the term differentiating about Major "Tribe" and "Minor" tribe by the scale of population.)

In Thunder Rebels p52-53, it seems Four Major tribes share Heortland. Volsaxings, Jondalar, Hurlant, Esvularing.

And in Barbarian Adventure p.8, Volsaxar "Major" tribe is divided to four minor Tribes, Volsaxi (makes the problem difficult for the same name of "Major" tribe), Bacofi, Curtali, Sylangi.

And there is Kitori.

>Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:16:46 +1300
>From: Peter Metcalfe <metcalph_at_bigfoot.com>
>Subject: Hendreiki

Answer to Terra Incognita:

>AFAIK Hendreik brought together the Larnsti from the residents of
>the many holy places there. He did so to free his people from the
>Empire of Light. The theory was that by being free in heart and
>mind, the Larnsti could also be free in body. The Heortlings that
>the Larnsti protected became known as the Hendreiki.

>- --Peter Metcalfe

>Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:41:58 +1300
>From: Peter Metcalfe <metcalph_at_bigfoot.com>
>Subject: Heortland

Peter:
>>> Broyan and the Volsaxi are rebels against the Pharaonic regime.
>> > Broyan claims to be the High King of all the Hendreiki tribes
>> > but only the Volsaxi listen to him.

>Me:>So, Volsaxi is a tribe under dominant Hendriki tribe which influenced
>>Pharaohnic Rule and Aeolian Church under Andrin Rule (It seems there
>>were many guys who called Andrin.)? I don't know well about the
>>relationship among Aeolians and Orthodox Orlanthi of Broyan, and
>>recent adventurers from Rokari "Seshnelans".

>The Volsaxi are part of the Hendreiki tribe but reject the Pharaoh.
>The other Hendreiki tribes accept the Pharaoh and so Heortland has
>two kings.

In Barbarian Adventures, p. 9, High King Hardrard the Green took up residence in Whitewall against the Pharaoh and King of Heortland.

>Most of the Pharaonic Heortlanders are not Aeolians (despite what
>Thunder Rebels says, that's primarily abuse) but Andrini Orlanthi.
>Their customs are changed from their old Heortling ways but they
>still worship Orlanth. The Aeolians are a separate minority with
>similar social customs to the Andrini but their worship practices
>are vastly different.

>When the Pharaoh was alive, Heortland was the land of Storm. For
>this reason, Storm Worship was preferred in Heortland rather than
>Aeolian sorcery. Hence although the Andrini adopted Malkioni
>customs, great care was taken to see that their worship wasn't
>subverted. Since the Aeolians were strongest in the south,
>the local Esvularings changed the most while the Jondalarings
>changed only a little and the Volsaxi not at all.

Thunder Rebels Setting.

>I don't believe that the Volsaxi "rebellion" (which is over
>a century old from what I've heard) was a period of constant
>fighting. I think it was more of a case of intermittent
>conflict with only one or two serious attempts to subdue the
>Volsaxi. At the time of the Pharaoh's disappearance, I like
>to think there was some sort of truce.

King Bryan evacuates the City of Wonder to Harrek. What's the meaning of it?

>Much of the politics of Heortland currently hinges on the status
>of King Rikard. I've heard contradictory statements on whether
>he is an Aeolian or not (first he was, then he wasn't, now it
>seems he is).

Many Reaching Moon Megacorp Publishments.

>Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:08:05 +0000
>To: glorantha-digest_at_rpglist.org
>From: Joerg Baumgartner <joe_at_toppoint.de> (by way of Graham Robinson
><graham_at_albionsoft.com>)
>Subject: Re: Heortland, Exogamy
>Reply-To: glorantha-digest_at_rpglist.org

>Peter Metcalfe replying to Terra Incognita:

> > The Volsaxi are part of the Hendreiki tribe but reject the Pharaoh.

>The Hendreiki "tribe" should be called a nation - even its four tribes
>are the size of a federation of tribes under a prince/warlord in
>ordinary Orlanthi terms.

Perhaps, you want to use terms in the folders / directories for make this matter simple.

   Kingdom > Nation > Tribe > Clan
In Introduction to HW, Pharaoh forced Heortlanders to use Marches and Barons, Earls. Maybe they stopped using them after JarEel killed Pharaoh...

> > The other Hendreiki tribes accept the Pharaoh and so Heortland has
> > two kings.

>Volsaxar itself is somewhat undefined. The 30,000 Volsaxi of the three
>Whitewall tribes are only a third of the Heortling population of
>Volsaxar. They have a tribal confederation similar to the Sartarite city
>rings, probably thanks to Tarkalor's meddling with the trolls. The
>southern inhabitants of Volsaxar might be centered on Smithstone (I
>assume that this is a city about the size of Backford) and Karse, as
>much as Heortlings can be said to be centered on a place.
>The Whitewall Volsaxi rebelled against the Kitori domination (which may
>have been imposed by the Pharaoh).

I am confused. Firstly, in BA, four "minor" tribes share Whitewall. And secondly, 30,000 is maybe too large for the Sartarite standard, even Boldhome residents are only 11,000 and even if you means the "City Ring" currently under the seige of Lunars, there are no supporter tribes outside of wall of the "city".... I don't know well about Ancient Military (maybe Martin Laurie knows it, the Last Stage of Gallia War of Caesar in Alesia?) But IMHO, I think Bruan can not hold even 3,000. Thirdly, Kitori, Tarkalor and Phalaoh's allegiance might be easily switched in such "Warring State Period". I think I should reread King of Sartar and how the actual situation of Whitewall Seige should be, though there is always magic in Glorantha.

Peter:
> > Much of the politics of Heortland currently hinges on the status
> > of King Rikard. I've heard contradictory statements on whether
> > he is an Aeolian or not (first he was, then he wasn't, now it
> > seems he is).

>Rikard is a Seshnegi warlord. As king he did become head of the state
>church. Whatever his personal agenda, his underlings took action on
>their own.

>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 00:52:32 GMT
> From: Alex Ferguson <abf_at_cs.ucc.ie>
> To: glorantha-digest_at_rpglist.org
> Subject: Re: glorantha-digest digest, Vol 9 #1 - 8 msgs
>
>
>
>
> Joerg Baumgartner:
> > Volsaxar itself is somewhat undefined. The 30,000 Volsaxi of the three
> > Whitewall tribes are only a third of the Heortling population of
> > Volsaxar. They have a tribal confederation similar to the Sartarite city
> > rings, probably thanks to Tarkalor's meddling with the trolls. The
> > southern inhabitants of Volsaxar might be centered on Smithstone (I
> > assume that this is a city about the size of Backford) and Karse, as
> > much as Heortlings can be said to be centered on a place.
>
> Now that's just adding to my confusion... BA seems to imply the
> the "Volsaxi" are different from the Sylangi, etc, but I didn't
> understand it in the above manner at all. So basically you're saying
> there are about 9 large V. tribes, occupying all of "lowland"
> Heortland? (Pardon my hand-waving, most of the relevant material
> is at home in a large "tomorrow night's game" pile.)
>

> > The Whitewall Volsaxi rebelled against the Kitori domination (which may
> > have been imposed by the Pharaoh).
>
> Not by the OOO?

It seems Trolls should have good realtionship to their kin. And what about the relationship between the Trollish Demigod and Volsaxi before Pharaoh came?
Historically, Heort was a friend of OOO...but "No one can make me anything."

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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:25:22 +1300
> To: glorantha-digest_at_rpglist.org
> From: Peter Metcalfe <metcalph_at_bigfoot.com>
> Subject: Heortland
>
> Joerg Baumgartner:
>
> >The Hendreiki "tribe" should be called a nation - even its four tribes
> >are the size of a federation of tribes under a prince/warlord in
> >ordinary Orlanthi terms.
>
> The biggest organization that the Orlanthi know of is a kingdom,
> not a nation. And tribe is perfectly alright in that it's
> traditional and not used at any other level by the Heortlanders
> themselves.

Not even for mere convinience? I think Argrath will be called "White Emperor" by Pelorian Commoners...

>
> >Volsaxar itself is somewhat undefined. The 30,000 Volsaxi of the three
> >Whitewall tribes are only a third of the Heortling population of
> >Volsaxar.
>
> I do not believe that the Volsaxi number a quarter of the
> kingdom's population. Secondly there are four tribes in
> Vosaxiland as can be seen from:
>
> Volsaxiland designates the area around Whitewall,
> whose tribes (the Volsaxi, plus the tiny Bacofi,
> Curtali and Sylangi) formed the Volsaxar
> confederation.
> Barbarian Adventures p8
>
> The Bacofi once ruled wide lands. King Hroar
> helped the Empire when they invaded because he
> wished to reclaim lands that the Volsaxi had
> seized from him.
> BA p8
>

Please read the top of this letter.

> They are also shown as living to the Southwest of Whitewall
> along the Marzeel River according to the map on p5 of the
> same. In addition, the unknown population of the Kitori
> should also be included in the Heortland population.

>
> >They have a tribal confederation similar to the Sartarite city
> >rings, probably thanks to Tarkalor's meddling with the trolls.
>
> The government of the Volsaxar is based on the Kingship rituals
> of Vingkot as the ultra-traditionalist Broyan worships all three
> subcults of Vingkot (TR p6). They also predate Tarkalor AFAIK
> so the statement in KoS p196 is not be the whole truth.

I don't have the English Edition King of Sartar...if "Zombie King" Andrin only holds the power to access City of Wonder, Bryan should usurp the power by some meaning. And in Introduction to HW p. 142, before Pharaoh, the High King was selected from Larnsti Brotherhood.

>
> >The Whitewall Volsaxi rebelled against the Kitori domination (which
> >may have been imposed by the Pharaoh).
>
> I don't think the Pharaoh whose stated aim was to free the
> land from Darkness would have countenanced imposing his
> subjects to the same force.

I think Pharaoh used Aeolians to counter Black Arkati who survived the God Learner purge under the support of OOO. Pharaoh used many some kind of Malkioni Way, (I still think he is a some kind of successor of God Learners.) In Questline Ralios Setting, Aeolus was Arkat's Nicodemonic shrewd supporter...What the modern relation among Black Arkati, Aeolian, and God Forgoti? (I should reread Gwandorling Saga?)

>
> > > I've heard contradictory statements on whether [Rikard]
> > > is an Aeolian or not (first he was, then he wasn't, now it
> > > seems he is).
>
> >As king he did become head of the state church. Whatever his
> >personal agenda, his underlings took action on their own.
>
> What state church? The Aeolian Church was not the state faith
> of Heortland in Pharaonic times, Orlanthi worship was. Secondly
> by declaring the Kingdom of Malkonwal, Rikard has gone beyond
> simply being the head of existing institutions or allowing his
> underlings free reign, he is instituting a reform from above.

Please read Introduction to HW, p. 142,
And founded the City Malkonwal? Perhaps he forced more his subjects by his homeland way...

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