> Or rather a number of
>"different" Heroplanes? (The U/W of the Golden Age, the Storm Age, etc...)
One, but made up of many parts all mixed it. A characteristic of the
Underworld is that it is never made up of one kind of world, but is mixed
bits from all of them.
>
>> >What about draconics?
>> nope.
>> > Are they in some sense in more than world, or in a Shared
>> >Place that's not strictly in any of them, or...? (I appreciate that
>> >this isn't necessarily going to be a clarifying example so much as
>> >a further-befuddling one.)
>> Any Shared World is not really relevant. You have to go thought the
>> barriers to go from world to world. You can not go from one Otherworld to
>> another.
>
>This seems the oddest one to me. I'm not sure if this imples there is
>no draconic "other side", or if it means the draconic o/s is part of
>the inner world, or yet another short world... But then again, it'd be
>pretty far down my bumper list of things I'd ever expect to be sure of.
No one goes to the dragon world, if there is one. If there is something
like one, no one can tell what it is. Even the dragon worshippers who go
there, if there is one, do not perceive it as a place.
>(If anyone knows anything about draconic stuff, they won't tell me...
>If anyone tells me anything about draconic stuff, I assume they don't
>know anything.)
and of course, I just told you something,so...
>> >though I
>> >admit I might just be being a bit of a RQ2/3 hag here. Meself I
>> >prefer to think of these simply as "Mythic Ages".
>> Think as you like, but in fact, the Storm Age is a Hero Plane (several, in
>> fact).
>
>I don't see how this is "fact" rather than "terminology". If someone
>in Glorantha (e.g. the Heortlings, perhaps?), I can see some merit in
>persisting with it, otherwise I think it obfuscates more than it reveals.
Terminology.
It can be considered a place or a moment.
>
>> >"Heroplane" still
>> >conjures up to me images of the Sky World, etc (perhaps better called
>> >the Outer World), places that are inhabitted my "Hero Scale" entities.
>> This is true too. her Planes has several applications. What they all share
>> is that supernatural quality/magnitude events/being exist opening there,
>> whether it is Altinela or Barntar's Stead.
>
>So (a) "Heroplane" is, then, anything part of the Shared/Centre/Middle
>World, that is _not_ the mundane world of the "present moment" (or the
>Underworld?), is that a feasible working definition?
No, not exactly.
Altinela is part of the Hero Plane because of the magnitude of beings that
live there, because of the proximity of the gods (and chaos) and so on. It
is outside of the normal world, but on the edge.
I am sorting out the vocabulary at the moment.
>
>> >(Maybe back in the Golden Age all warriors were Heroically Good, say,
>> I wouldn't say this is so. The Golden Age didn't know anything about good
>> or bad.
>> Also, populations of ordinary people existed then, just as now.
>
>I'm going here in part by RiG's "sample resistances" for Golden Age
>Warriors, etc, which (IIRC) are medium-huge. But this is a minor point...
If you seek warriors out they are like to be demigods, but normal people
exist too, in droves.
>
>> >but we have considerable evidence that this was not so in the Dawn
>> >Age, for example...)
>> Dawn Age etc. are historical and different from the Mythic Ages in that
>> they occur after the Great Compromise.
>
>OK, point taken, my terminology sucks as much as the next man's...
Next man agrees. :)
>
>> >Now, what about the Outer Worlds of the Mythic Ages? (What I'm struggling
>> >not to call "the heroplane of the heroplane...") Presumably if I go
>> >to the Sky World of the Storm Age it's _not_ unchanged from that of
>> >"today", but equally I'd expect it to be both less changed, and more
>> >"subjective" than the mundane worlds of those Ages. So are such places
>> >in the Otherworlds per se, or not? Are they "somewhat" in them?
>> The Upper and Under worlds both exist as mutable parts of the universe:
>> parts of the Center World. They can change according to the Age when you go
>> there. If you go there and do anything, they take on the appearance and
>> substance of the world you are going to.
>
>OK, so they're not part of the GP, but in some sense are closer to
>them,
Or perhaps more correctly, farther from the mundane world
>and closer to each other, than is the mundane world (of the
>present).
Maybe not.
>i.e., the Sky World of the Modern Age is a likely route
>to both parts of the Gods World, and the Sky World of the Golden Age,
>without being part of or identical with either.
You'd have to go through the God World (or some other Otherworld) to get to
the Sky World of the Golden Age.
It is easier to get to the Sky World by going to the God World than it is
to go there from the physical plane. It is considered to be impossible to
sail on a ship to the edge of the world and, from there, ascend to the sky.
It is considered impossible to fly upward to the sky world. And so on.
>> >It seems to be that some quests must involve _all_ of the above. For
>> >example (once again) Orlanth's LBQ. This starts in the "mundane world"
>> >of the Storm Age (O. being more "personified" in them days...), heads
>> >into the Outer World of that Age, then ends up in both the God World
>> Some of the hero Plane Eras have a collapsed cosmos. The LBQ takes place in
>> a time when the worlds have merged, or overlapped or not finished
>> separating. The Great Darkness/Chaos Age is the time when all the worlds
>> have become one place.
>
>Good point, and one you'd mentioned before: my bad.
This collapsing aspect is one of the reasons why it is difficult to sort
the planes out.
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