Astrology of Glorantha
History of Astrology and Star Lore
Ancestors of the Lenshi Kings: Keternung the Explorer
Martin Laurie about Yuthuppa
>Jenarongi deities are well represented in the city and in some
> cases have full affinities where they are mere sub-cults of herocults
> elsewhere in the Empire. The Yuthuppans have a tradition of horsemanship
as
> well as naval ability and are divided by family line, some claiming
ancestry
> from Anaxial and other from Jenarong and his ilk.
>
Perhaps Greg and Martin began to think about the Origin of Astrology coming
from somewhere of East place....
Some of other type and usage of this Arts can be listed here:
If you want to see the condition and future of great heroes, simply you can know by watching his own star, as in the case with Jannisor's attack to Glamour and Twin Star, or Sheng Seleris' Apotheosis and falling to Lunar Hell (Dark Spot).
Some of Gods put together such as Shargash and Waha common Red Planet (Bronze Treasure: Book of Drastic Resolution: Prax).
From HW Mailing List Oliver Bernuetz writing:
> Joerg :
>
> > ObGlorantha:
>
> > Does the sky represent the god world (of the Dara Happans) or the
Spirit
> > World (of the Praxians)? Are these representations of the pre-collision
> > Inner World?
>
> Yes:-)
>
> Less facetiously it represents a lot of different things to different
> peoples. The Dara Happans will say a costellation represents this while
the
> Kralorelan's say it represents this. I guess the Palmatelans see the same
> sky given a flat world so of course they see different things again, which
> will vary depending on where you are.
>
> Oliver
So you should consider about more complicate factors and circumstance, and materials, connection and location for weak ordinary people,
Direct Energy and Gift from Stars: Stargazers in GROY p. 84 (As if Stargazers can feed directly Yuthuppan people by Porridge Star as same as Moses feed his wandering people.
But how about commoners? Only Swindlers and mad Arachne Solara Seers in LE?
And I don't think Gloranthans simply read their fortune by simple lists of 1/294 of their birthday. I don't know well about RW horoscope, but the locations of each planets in Buserian's Frame (Birthday, Family or Cult Initiation, or other functions?) Though Gloranthan Wanders are not so erratic as RW Planets. (Perhaps I can make good toy for Wealthy Lunars or Kralorelans?)
IMHO Bird is Vrimak which was bestowed by Dayzatar, he has ruled Intellect of People since the Creation of Humanity in DH Myth. (In RW, many people believe their soul / spirit forms the shape of birds. Maybe it was adopted from Egypt to Roman Imperium / Esoteric Hobby of Wealthy Class?) at least DH people spent their leisure time in Sky World until their next Reincarnation while their Bijiif descent to Underworld.
(From Stellar FAQ, Revised Version of GROY 100 Lists)
The Perfect Sky
The Forty-Nine
1. Pole Star 2. Arraz 3. Ourania 4. Porridge Star 5. Everina 6. Conspirator 7. First Star of Virtue; House of Insight, or Burburstus' Eye8. Second Star of Virtue; House of Serenity, or Burburstus' Maw 9. Third Star of Virtue; House of Strength, or Burburstus' Neck 10. Fourth Star of Virtue; House of Brilliance, or Burburstus' Chest (or Heart)
11. Fifth Star of Virtue; House of Sovereignty, or Burburstus' Wing 12. Shackle, or Burburstus' Body (or Liver) 13. Sixth Star of Virtue; House of Transformation, or Burburstus' Belly 14. Seventh Star of Virtue; House of Wisdom, or Burburstus' Tail 15. Eighth Star of Virtue; House of Action, or Burburstus' Stinger 16. Seed of Erenbaya 17. Erkonus 18. Dove
21. Lorion's Tongue 22. Lorion's Eye 23. Lorion's Tail 24. Urnbudud, leg 25. Urnbudud, leg
28. Varnaga, the Corcodile 29. Galgarenge, the Griffin (New List, it was Vergenari number) 30. Ubisus, the Bull 31. Oasis 32. Thasus
33. Bakoka's Pincer
34. Bakoka's Womb
35. Jewel Flower
36. Youth or Throne
37. Root 38. Shafesora 39. Durbaddath, the Lion 40. Vergenari, the Sow (Former 29, it was Swan Number) 41. Swan (Former 40, it was Lestakus' Bow) 42. Lestakus' Bow (Former 41, it was Lestakus' Heart number) 43. Lestakus' Heart (Former 42, it was Lestakus' Hip number)44. Lestakus' Hip (Former 43, it was Lestakus' Knee number) 45. Lestakus' Knee (Former 44, it was Pot number)
46. Pot (Former 45, it was Winnowing Fan number) 47. Winnowing Fan (Former 46, it was Cold Man (Moved to 59) number)
48. Ulurdum
49. Ulurda
The Fifty-One
50. Disruptor 51. Lightfore 52. Arakang, the Bear 53. Branch 54. Raider Star 55. Shargash 56. Anaxial (New List, it was Third Outlaw (Moved to 70) number) 57. Dragon's Head 58. Lokarnos 59. Cold Man (Former 47, it was Cold Woman (Moved to 72) number)
The Jumpers
60. Theya, the Dawn Star 61. Erindamus, the Dog Star (New List, it was Rausa number) 62. Rausa, the Dusk Star (Former 61, it was Kalikos number)
63. Kalikos, the North Star (Former 62, it was Ervegus (Lost?) number)
The Awakeners
64. Entekos (Corrected because GROY list has two number 64)
65. Barley (Former 64, Corrected because GROY list has two number 64, it was
Millet number)
66. Millet (Former 65, it was Beezil number) 67. Beezil (Former 66, it was Jenarong (Moved to 80) number) 68. Willow (or Silverbark) (Former 93, it was Kalikos number) 69. EthElsora (aka Uleria) 70. Third Outlaw (Former 56, it was Vuranustum (Lost?) number)
The (Later) New Stars
71. First New Flower, or Second Flower (Former 79, it was Sweet Rice (Moved
to 73) number)
72. Cold Woman (Former 59, it was Fat Rice (Moved to 74) number) 73. Sweet Rice (Former 71, it was Hardy Rice (Moved to 75) number) 74. Fat Rice (Former 72, it was Drowns Children (Moved to 76) number) 75. Hardy Rice (Former 73, it was Scours to Rock (Lost) number) 76. Drowns Children (Former 74, it was Pulls down Walls (Moved to 77)number)
77. Pulls down Walls (Former 76, it was Reed (Moved to 78) number) 78. Reed (Former 77, it was Pulls down Walls (Moved to 79) number) 79. Steward (Former 78, it was "First New Flower, or Second Flower" (Movedto 71) number)
81. Lorion's Eye (Former 80, it was Lorion's Marker (Moved to 82) number) 82. Lorion's Marker (Former 81, it was "Second New Flower, or Third Flower" (Moved to 83) number)
83. Second New Flower, or Third Flower (Former 82, it was Mr. Hardworking
Paddy Worker (Moved to 84) number)
84. Mr. Hardworking Paddy Worker (Former 83, it was Mrs. Hardworking Paddy
Worker (Moved to 85) number)
85. Mrs. Hardworking Paddy Worker (Former 84, it was Harp, or the
Instrument-carrier (Moved to 86) number)
86. Harp, or the Instrument-carrier (Former 85, it was Norees (Moved to 87)
number)
87. Norees, the Cook (Former 86, it was Avivath (Moved to 88) number) 88. Avivath (Former 87, it was Donkey Holder (Moved to 89) number) 89. Donkey Holder (Former 88, it was The First Fish (Moved to 91) number)
The Last Stars
90. Borna, the Volunteer Girl (Former 95, it was The Second Fish (Moved to
92) number)
91. The First Fish (Former 89, it was Whisperers (Lost) number) 92. The Second Fish (Former 90, it was Oxbow (Moved to 93) number) 93. Oxbow (Former 92, it was Willow (or Silverbark) (Moved to 68) number) 94. Vuranostum (Former 70, it was Hare (Moved to 95) number) 95. Rakenveg, the Hare (Former 94, it was Borna, the Volunteer Girl (Movedto 90) number)
96. Fork 97. Strong Wing 98. Wing Claw
99. Antirius, The New Sun
100. Yelm
Though I don't think modern Buseri wield such a power to drew raw power or material from these Stars.....
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:07:05 -0700
> To: glorantha_at_rpglist.org
> From: David Dunham <dunham_at_pensee.com>
> Subject: Re: Astrology
> Reply-To: glorantha_at_rpglist.org
>
> Terra Incognita asked
>
> > How about the possibility of Astrology in Glorantha? If such art exists
in
> > Glorantha, what
> > kind of form should be made? (though Drastic Resolution: Prax and
Stellar
> > FAQ much reduced it for the ambguity and complexity of each glorantha
> > culture increased.)
>
> I'm less interested in the exact form than knowing that it exists and
> can affect my stories.
>
> My characters tend to be contemptuous of Buserian astrology,
> admitting that it might be accurate, but pointing out that it usually
> takes more than 24 hours of observations and calculations to make a
> 24-hour forecast.
>
Boo. Orlanthi perspective?
<<An Ontorite and A Buserian were traveling cross country. After a good meal and a jug of wine they laid down for the night, and went to sleep. Some hours later, the Ontorite awoke and nudged his faithful friend. "Buserian, look up at the sky and tell me what you see" The Buserian replied, "I see millions and millions of stars." "What does that tell you?" the Ontorite asked. The Buserian pondered for a minute. "Numerically, it tells me that numbers go to millions billions. Celestialogically, I observe that Shargash is in the Summer Fields. Horologically, I deduce that the time is approximately a quarter past three. Theologically, I can see that Divinity is all-powerful and that we are small and insignificant. Meteorologically, I suspect that we will have a beautiful day tomorrow. What does it tell you?" The Ontorite sighed, was silent for a minute, then spoke. "Buseri, you fool. Someone stole our tent."
By Greg Stafford>>
David and Nils add several times by choice their jokes in Issaries Site.
Check here.
http://www.glorantha.com/new/jokes.html
(What is the greatest capricious joke of Glorantha?)
David:
> In my game, the god-talkers of Lankoring practice astrology:
>
> "A seer from the Lankoring cult examines every child born into a
> family of consequence. If the seer envisions the child drowning in
> the Doskior at the Birthing Festival, he lays upon the child a geas
> "never to touch Doskior water during Sea Season." Because death may
> occur near Birthing Festival, the geas includes the whole season in
> which it occurs. The fatal water might be from, rather than in, the
> Doskior, hence the stricture against Doskior water in general."
> <http://www.pensee.com/dunham/ralios/geas.html>
>
I like such setting, but I don't know what is the RW parallel of these geas,
boons derived from some kind of D&D spells.
I remember Cuchulain, "you cannot deny to drink bestowed by women..."etc...
> I think this form of prediction takes into account factors other than
> just the movement of the stars, however (if only because the Delelans
> lack the recording technology and cloudless nights needed).
>
Buseri knew how to see far place and hold high towers to watch them in
Yuthuppa, of course you know.
> Message: 2
> From: "Nick Brooke" <nick_at_etyries.com>
> To: "Glorantha Digest" <glorantha_at_rpglist.org>
> Subject: DH imperial costume; Watchdog
> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 12:08:21 +0100
> Reply-To: glorantha_at_rpglist.org
>
> Terra Incognita writes:
>
> > Surely Emperor Khorzanelm (Nick Brooke) spent a hard time to play in
> > the LARP of Broken Council if truly his costume was the same in the
> > illustration.
>
> Yep. It was a relief when my wife allowed me to "shave" (removing my giant
> Assyrian-style wig and beard). Balancing the tall, cylindrical, winged
crown
> was another problem altogether. I can't recall what MOB did with it once
> he'd usurped me...
>
>
Sorry, Nick.
I haven't reported long to you.
Your Euphemeris of Gloranthan Sky has never been worked in my computer.
Maybe Buserian's Frame explains how to use my confused idea....
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:32:20 +1200
> To: glorantha_at_rpglist.org
> From: Peter Metcalfe <metcalph_at_bigfoot.com>
> Subject: astrology
> Reply-To: glorantha_at_rpglist.org
>
> Terra Incognita:
>
> >How about the possibility of Astrology in Glorantha? If such art exists
in
> >Glorantha, what kind of form should be made?
>
> It exists. The Buserium of Dara Happa are astrologers and their
> celestiology affinity is the same thing in that it can be used
> to Divine Future, Read Horoscope and Commune with Celestial Body.
> The Praxians have the Star Witches and I suppose other cultures
> have similar magicians as well. The only odd folks out are the
> Heortlings, Merfolk or Trolls who think the Sky World is the realm
> of the enemy.
>
They can watch the Bad Omen of their people.
So do you think Rigsdal, Elmal and Inora are exceptions? (Certainly they don't belong to Sky Realm...in Thunder Rebels...but I talk about Middle World.)
>Message: 3
>Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:02:12 +1200
>To: glorantha_at_rpglist.org
>From: Peter Metcalfe <metcalph_at_bigfoot.com>
>Subject: Red Emperor's Crown
>Reply-To: glorantha_at_rpglist.org
>Terra Incognita:
>>Dara Happan Costume: Three Horned rather small Crown?
>The crown of Vantestos, also the origin of the Mastery Rune, W,
>in Peloria (GRAY p72).
>--Peter Metcalfe
Three Horned Crown was used by DH Overserrs. (Glorantha: ITHW p. 107 "three pronged crown") Maybe it indicates the presence of Three in City (Arraz, Ourania and Polaris?) or three brothers (Yelm, Dayzatar, Lodril?)
They tolerated foreign style? Or Vatestos and his daughter's city was truly Glamour(? though Greg denied its veracity of Lunar insistence)
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