Re: Technocratic Zzaburi

From: Trotsky <TTrotsky_at_blueyonder.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 17:30:04 +0000

>
>
>>> Not really a good analogy for Gloranthan sorcerers, I fear. Barring a
>>> few extreme nutters, the Malkioni/Brithini philosophy is almost
>>> diametrically opposed to that of WW mages.
>>>
>>
>Um, I compared Technocracy with Malkioni......
>

The Technocracy, IIRC, still believe that reality is consensual - they just want it to be *their* consensus. There are some respects in which they are similar, no doubt, but the core philosophy is somewhat different, I believe. But I could be wrong, not being an expert on WW products :-)

>>>
>>
>>>> >Sorry,
>>>> >maybe he just simply mentioned about Brithini and non-Brithini.....
>>>> >
>>>
>>> The 'Independent Zzaburi' are non-Brithini, yes. Although some of them
>>> claim more or less direct descent from the Brithini.
>>
>
>In HW 1st Edition, the term "Zzaburi" only appeared in Mystic Section,
>p.218, IIRC. So I intentionally warped your statement.
>

True, some Zzaburi are apparently mystical. I don't think the majority are.

>
>Trotsky:
>
>>> Indeed; I see no reason to suppose the Brithini are any less 'correct'
>>> about the universe than any of a number of other cultures. After all,
>>> they really *are* immortal - it isn't some delusion on their part.
>>
>
>Graham:
>
>>> but they (Brithini) do
>>> have a distinct, exploitable weakness.
>>>
>>
>
>And we know other group of liars and atheists, Mostali. And Vadeli.
>

I don't know about 'liars' - although obviously they're atheists. Unless you mean that other people *call* them liars, which they probably do.

>Maybe
>you need Brithos and Sorcerer Supreme to stop Blue Vadeli returning.
>

I'd imagine they'd be the best guys to fight them, at any rate.

>In RQ terms, Outside Sorcerers need Immortality Spell, but Brithini don't
>need it.
>

I'd agree with that, yes.

>
>> Why should they [want to cause mayhem in Solace]? They are with God.
>
>
>Vadel revolted against Zzabur and Malkion when "Malkion" was still living in
>RM texts. Zzabur killed Malkion in Abiding Book Credo. Of course, Greg might
>be able to change it.
>

Sure, but neither the Vadeli nor the followers of Zzabur are going to end up in Solace...

>In older setting, Malkion is mere a Prophet of Invisible God, but Tales #13,
>Hero Wars and RM more and more make his characteristic complicated / vague
>as RM diversity of Monotheism Creed.
>

Yes. Some sects say he was a Prophet, others that he is wholly divine, others that he's somewhere in between. Monotheists love to argue about this sort of stuff.

>I think, Brithini Leader was very powerful, and don't know restriction
>except their fear to lose their Immortality in Mundane World, but simply
>they haven't dared to use their power, but let their pupil God Learners to
>do so.....I still don't grasp wholly the change of Gloranthan Cosmology from
>RQ to HQ (W).
>

I don't think it has changed (much), its just that we're now getting a wider perspective on it.

>in Mundane World, no one can be safe from
>physical damage, (except shapeshifter tricksters?)
>

Nah, tricksters aren't immune from damage. They're quite likely to damage *themselves*, that's the difference :-)

-- 
Trotsky
Gamer and Skeptic

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