Vadeli and Logicians

From: Peter Metcalfe <metcalph_at_quicksilver.net.nz>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:32:53 +1300


Joerg Baumgartner <joe_at_toppoint.de>

> > No. The Blue Wizards originate as sorcerers from Sog City

>The Sogites are in league with the cannibalistic abominations of
>Darkness Pelanda?

I never said they were. I said the Blue Wizards come from there. After all, saying that the Carmanians come from Loskalm does not mean that whoever allies with them are in league with Loskalm.

>So the people of King Blue were not sorcerous at all?

Who knows? My guess is that some were and some weren't.

>The Pelandans also tell about the corpse-blue water people of YarGan (?)
>encountered by Bisos.

However they are noted for living underwater and leading conquests. Nothing Vadeli about them.

> > The Blue Vadeli are not associated with water but corpses.

>I didn't say or mean Blue Vadeli, but generally "evil sorcerers from the
>west". Revealed Mythologies could be summarized as "good prehistoric
>sorcery=Zzabur, bad prehistoric sorcery=Vadeli".

But that's the Malkioni Point of View. Everybody else (including the Pelandans) would simply view _all_ sorcery as evil.

>In the Kachasti War, Vadeli subjects or prisoners of war turn upon
>their Kachasti masters in southern Fronela,

I see nothing in the myth that implies it takes place only in southern Fronela. The Kachasti lands include all of the west coast of Genertela. The Mountain Range is obviously that of Nida but in prehistoric times, the range could have easily destroyed the Kachasti cities in Seshnela (by extending through the Hills of Guhan to end at the Iron Mountains or beyond) or Loskalm (connecting the mountain range in Oranor, Molene, Karstal, Tastolar, possibly Maidstone and finally into North Loskalm).

>help their Mostali allies in raising the Nidan Mountains,
>and enslave the Kachasti. Afterwards, the Pelandans tell
>about King Blue and sorcerers committing atrocities in their lands to
>match Zzaburite propaganda about Endernef.

The King Blue myths however take place during the Flood which is the early Fourth Action/Storm Age (cf map in Revealed Mythologies p8) whereas the Kachasti War occurs later on (cf map in Revealed Mythologies p17 - although it's mislabelled as Late where it should be Middle).

--Peter Metcalfe

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