I am recently cornered by obligations and duties....though regrettably, I don't have enough time to read posts of Kevin's and Peter's about Mythic Pelanda enough.....please give me time before abandoning this topic.
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> Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:13:52 -0500
> From: "Kevin P. McDonald" <paul_mcdonald_at_ncsu.edu>
> To: glorantha_at_rpglist.org
> Subject: Re: Glorantha digest, Vol 9 #334 - 5 msgs
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Kevin:
>My only problem
> with this is that none of the (admittedly sketchy) info that I have seen
> mentions beast folk in Fronela before the Dawn. I haven't found any
> tales of Fronelan struggles between westerners and beast folk as there
> were in Seshnela/Ralios.
Yes, but there is no proof that fronelan hsunchens doesn't know such myth /
legend, either. There isn't enough set.
http://www.glorantha.com/library/hsunchen.html
<<Different peoples view this distinction in varying ways. The Telmori
regard wolves and hsunchen as respectively four-legged and two-legged
members of the Wolf People. The Uncoling reindeer folk believe that they are
reindeer who just happen to be able to turn into humans. The Flari owl folk
take t he opposite approach - they are humans who can turn into owls. >>
And even in Dragon Pass, see Yinkin mythology about Serpentbeast Brotherhood (Old Issaries WWW document), or Hidden King's Saga (Enclosure), or a tale of Orlanth and Drolgard in King of Sartar.
There is a plenty of beast myth turn into Orlanthi, or vice versa. Dragons are kings of beasts, and Youf tried to recover Green Age by examining in Stitched Zoo.....Perfectly IMO.
>
> There is plenty of evidence for Storm worshippers in ancient Fronela,
> though. Followers of Ragnalgar are shown in northern Fronela on a Gods
> War era map in Uz Lore, and invasions of Worlath's followers are
> mentioned in RM.
>
Yes, but IIRC, that "Ragnaglar" means simply "the Land without Justice or a sort of term" (Peter).
Kevin:
<<On the other hand, do all of the hsunchen in Fronela speak languages
that are related to the rest of Glorantha's hsunchen tongues? That might
undermine the "converted orlanthi" theory. Or are there some that speak
a theyalan dialect?>>
http://www.gloranthadigest.com/cgi-bin/message.py?ref=3530
<<(BTW, what is Stormspeech, Solarspeech, Earthspeech, Seaspeech, Diamondspeech? What's the reason d'etre? In current Glorantha.)
Each of the "tribes" of gods has a natural sound of its own. The water tribe is the sounds of water, the ocean and also the silence of the depths. These sounds all have meaning, and the meaning is the language of the gods. Water gods have Sea Speech. But they are languages of the gods, not scripts.>>
<<This is my Question:
Does DH and Teshnos gods thus speak the same language?
(Greg:)
Ultimately, yes.
However, the ultimate vocabulary is accessible only in the ultimate rites of
the god, and to get to those Ultimate Rites we have to use the local
language. So we speak to the Fire Gods in the DH version of the Fire Sp[eech
first, and eventually when we hear ONLY the ultimate sounds of Fire we will
be hearing/using the same language as the gods in Teshnos.>>
So, hsunchens might know "their mother tongue" through Spirit World or from Korgatsu / Amuron (?) and talk as their four legged cousins. Glorantha is not always logical, or at least magical doesn't mean to follow reasonable Time and History keeping as all trickster magic...... (Maybe humanists and Logicians don't like such phenomenon.....)
TI
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