>>Carmanos and his people were mercenary allies of the free Pelandan city states. It was his son, Surandar the War-leader, who first seized rule over unwilling Pelandans.
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>>See http://www.etyries.com/carmania/carmhist.htm (Outline)
>>and http://www.etyries.com/carmania/surandar.htm (Surandar)
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>Right, and IMO Surandar the War-leader was expressing the Will of the Pelandan High Gods, so mortal Pelandan unwillingness not IMO pertinent from a High Magical POV.
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Actually, I don't think Surandar *was* expressing the will of the High
Gods, which is why he ended up consumed by worms.
>I realize that this interpretation is somewhat contrary to your intentions, but Entekosiad appears to ** imply ** that Idovanus and Ganesatarus were Pelandan entities.
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More than imply, IMHO. :)
Terra Incognita writes:
>I don't know well about the death of "Carmanos" cult in the Battle of Four Arrows of Light, although.
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I don't know either, since the cult seems alive and well in the Western
Reaches according to ILH-1. Perhaps this is an obsolete idea? Or maybe
he came back from the dead like Bisos in his mythical fight with
IvinZoraRu/YarGan? If so, was the death of Carmanos part of a failed
"Dethronement of the Unjust" ritual against the Lunars? Or does his
death and rebirth parallel the slaying and rebirth of Bisos at the hand
of Carmanos himself - giving validity to the Truth of the Lunar Way?
>YGMV, My Syranthir died when he took baby Carmanos back from the clutch of Demon Lord YarGan and left him to his father-in-law, King Oronin....
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I like your story, BTW. Much of it depends on Syranthir meeting Charmain
before going to Castle Blue, though. My impression is that he met her
*at* Castle Blue, but I could be wrong.
>I think there is a rivalry between Blue People of Lake Oronin and Demonic Sorcerers of YarGan....Yargan killed King Oronin and robbed his adamant crown and sovereignty....in Ent, p. 53. And his blood poisoned and fishs vanished from the lake, until Carmanos recovered it. [IIRC, Tales #16]
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This makes sense to me.
Nick Brooke writes:
>IMO (warning: pre-Hero Wars/HeroQuest ideas), their magic would be more like mysticism-cum-wizardry than "sorcery".
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Ah! I had not made the distinction between "sorcery" and "wizardry".
That helps allot, IMO.
>>Much depends on what Carmanos was like, who his early supporters were, and why they supported him...
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>Good analysis. I *like* this piece. Suggest sticking it up on "Lions of Rhugandy" when you're happy with it.
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Thanks! I am in the midst of a major re-write of my website in
celebration of the release of ILH-1 (and to prepare for my game, which
starts back up when HQ is released). An article speculating on the Life
of the Prophet would be fun. :)
>KPM: Did [Syranthir] bring boon companions with him on his quest?
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>To Castle Blue? I wouldn't have thought so. That'd be like Arthur taking Bedivere along on his boat trip to Avalon...
Agreed.
>NB: Charmain = "Kshara-Mainya" = "Spirit of Sovereignty"
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Very cool! :)
>>Carmanos claimed to be the son of their leader, Syranthir. Was he able to prove this in some way?
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>Certainly. Who else could pull Syranthir's sword from the stone (or whatever)? :-)
>
Well, one obvious proof was that the image of Idovanus and Vanu detached
itself from the ruins of Borangu and rolled down to Brinnus when
Carmanos declared the Great Truth. [Entekosiad p58]
>Besides, the Bisosae aren't "proper" Pelandans - they're southern hill barbarian types, not like the Turos'n'Oria High God bods (IIRC).
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True, although their history mixes with the Pelandans a bit around Lake
Oronin.
The Bisosae were originally a Tawari people from Vanstal (part of which is now under the Ban) who liberated the proto-cities around Lake Oronin after the Flood. IMO, these settlements were populated by Pelandans who had lived around Fire Mountain before the Flood. When Fire Mountain became Lake Oronin, they became a downtrodden underclass ruled by the Blues/Logicians/YarGan. Bisos liberated them, saved them from starvation, and remained there with his followers (as rulers?) until the Bleak Period.
When the Andam invasion was repulsed by Daxdarius, the "cities" around Lake Oronin became part of his empire. Eventually the martial Empire of Daxdarius gave way to the harmonious realm of Wise King Gartemirus, who "tamed Bisos to the plow". There is a "Return of the High Gods" myth that speaks of a "LevBentus" in Mintinus, so I am guessing that at least Mintinus had a significant Pelandan flavor at that time.
During the Bleak Period most of the Bisosae migrated back to Vanstal, where they seized power. When the Bleak Period was over, they returned to Lake Oronin and were forcibly brought under the rule of the Lendarshi. The map of "Lendarshic Pelanda" in the Entekosiad [p88] listed Mintinus as one of the "Five Cities of Bisos and Esus", so once again we have Bisosae living there. So...
I think we have three types of "Bisosae". We have the semi-Pelandan Bisosae of the Lake Oronin city-states, We have the rough-and-ready hill barbarian Bisosae of the Worian hills (referenced in ILH-1), and the softer lowland Bisosae of Vanstal. In Vanstal, there might be Pelandan influences from their Bleak Period domination by the Lake Oronin Bisosae, and other possible civilizing influences from their northern cousins - the Sweet Sea Kereusi.
Thanks for the insights everyone!
~Kevin McD
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