Re: Page by Page Entekosiad

From: Julian Lord <jlord_at_free.fr>
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 13:33:06 +0200


TERRA :
> Analysis of Entekosiad

Hrm. This sounds like a tall order ...

> Here I begin to collect everyone's the nightmarish enigma

Not so nightmarish IMO, just very, very, very detailed.

And probably less of an enigma than a compendium. Trying to read it as a cohesive document can, IMO, only fail.

Viz. GL failures passim ... :-)

> There is no concrete concept of Time and Space in Gods Age. IMHO. (TI)

Yes there is. The Mother of Space is a pre-Blue Age pre-creation entity of the hypothetic (non-existant) Black Age.

Space existed before Time, in the Pure Runic Age before the elements crashed together/flowed into each other.

Time is a result of that cosmic event.

The fact that the remnants of pre-Dawn events are not now sequentially organised, as relative to each other, into a chronological unity does not mean that no forms of Time existed prior to Arachne Solara's engendering of Solara Tempora.

It is in fact a logical necessity that they did.

> <<I think the Mythology of Three Goddesses FaElsor and the Serpent can
> be read from several perspectives, first, it is similar to three
> goddesses of Esrolia, (Ernalda, Voria and Asrelia, or (Argan Argar,
> Ziola and Zoran....)) ),

This ternary structure is IMO indicative of the birth of Time from the Duality of pre-Blue Age Space.

One = Existence
Two = Space/Relativity
Three = Time/History

The Crone/Mother/Virgin triaty signifies, among other things, the passage of Time.

> second, the Serpent can be taken as a sensual
> (sexual) impulse in their virginity (in fact, Peter seems to link it
> to the Dara Happan Concept of Berneel Arashagern),

Peter is correct, except it's a Pelandan and pre-Dara Happan concept.

It's also far more than merelly sexual.

It is in fact the Powerful Creative Urge to Exist.

> Third, as mascline entities
> didn't appear many

They were numerous but indistinguishable from each other.

More so than the women apparently, but this is suspect, because Valare Addi was exploring women's myths, and the male side of this is probably involuntarily under-represented.

Possibly even mis-represented.

> <<More important is how the Pelandans would understand the division
> between sorcery and god magic? I think following the example of
> Jernotius, the Pelandans divide the otherworld into Male Space (the
> sorcerous planes) and Female Space (the God World). Everything else
> (Hero Planes, Spirit World, Underworld) is mixed. (Peter Metcalph)>>

I don't think so, although I do agree that there is a Male Space and a Female Space; but not as you describe it..

To begin with, the Pelandan High Gods are Defiant entities, existing in a sub-transcendental plane where those divisions simply do not exist. This plane (1) is coeval but not identical to "the" Green Age. A major difference is that the Pelandan High Gods can be worshipped, although in most cases the magical methods of that worship will be fragmented between sorcery, animism, and theism.

It is also possible, indeed likely, that, **historically**, Pelandan cults could have crystallised into schemes where each individual High God is **perceived** by Pelandans as either an essence, a god, or a spirit. Not to mention any mysticism possibilities. Nevertheless, their Defiant nature was not destroyed by the Gods War.

If so, and as I believe, there are lower entities having the same name and the same cults as the High Gods, except that these are Forms (not Aspects) of those Gods. Similar to the fact that there is a High "Natha" and a Natha Aspect in Sedenyic philosophy. The Pelandan High Gods transcend the divisions between the otherworlds in exactly the same way as Sedenya does.

A quibble : they are not "mixed", although I suppose that mixed magical entities can generally exist. Demons, mostly.

Mixed entities do not have the same degree of connection to the transcendental that defiant ones have, because they were created *after* the cosmic destruction of God Time.

I think the Pelandans see the Inner World, Hero Plane(s) and Underworlds as mixed, but definitely not the Spirit World (which is pure).

It is because the High Gods are sub-transcendental that their cosmogony differs from religions that were born in the conflagrations of the Gods War. The division into a Male Space and a Female one existed prior to that War, but did not constitute any form of universal destruction because the two Spaces were One inside the Ulerian Veil (later torn into shreds, and becoming her Net). The other High Gods had/have their own specific powers to provide cosmic unity.

> p.19-37?
> I can't suppose the profound meaning of the mythology of ArroTurru
> except as a history of native of Wendaria (as Old Testament...) before
> How the Men Got Useful (Green Age) ....(See Gloranthan Vision) and
> three errors (p.31-37), it indicates that Sorcery, trickster, Storm
> and Sun as villains as a representative of vileness of men....(TI) Any
> ideas?

These are Gods War period tales, anyway.

> Good of Feminism (Life, Innocense, Family) to Evil of Masclinism
> (Death, War, Ego)

Yes, but Valare Addi was a woman exploring women's myths ... ;-)

> <<Greg Stafford: So many people has different perspective and opinion
> about mysticism.....>>

And they are all on the right track ... :-)

(Except for the Shengs of the world ... )

> Later Jernotian Creed was connected and developed as Lunar Creed....

It's the same thing.

Julian Lord

(1) It is very similar to the later Gloranthan Court period, but not identical.

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