But some others are not, as Meitreya and Avalokitesvara, with enough attributes, folktales and legends and worshippers (bhaktists). So I try to list here most important pantheon members, if you like to use these images for Kralori Emperors. Some of these divinities are well known in north, even in Japan.....but many later entities defined by esoteric tantrism texts are alien to us, (especially "corpulation" form is alien for Confucianism standard, see Vajrasattva head.)
http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~BLUEMAGI/TantricKralorela-e.htm
Many of Tibetan (and Indian, before they were destroyed by islamic invasion, for it spreads far to southeast isles of Asia, though later most other areas abandoned it and took Theraveda teaching) Vajrayana Pantheon is from their rivalry toward Hinduism, as geographical closeness between Tibet and India, many of tibetan "Idam"s have ability to conquer or absorb ability of hinduistic deities, especially that of Shiva (God of Yogism). So "Heruka"s usually have some kind of similarity to Shiva, his horrible wife Kali, and its "spawns"....or "Yamantaka" (revered Heruka of Geluq sect, for it was guardian being of Tsoknkapha....
Main Images
http://www.manjushri.com/BUDDHA/Blist.html
http://www.padmasambhava.org/pbc/
(Thanka is religious traditional art of Tibetans depicting various Vajrayana Pantheon.)
*Buddhas
Un Lo (Atrilith?)
Perhaps Hexad: Silence, Secret, Being, Experience, Thought, Spirit are all
considered as humane figures such kralori group...maybe as buddhas in
Esoteric Buddhism sect and compose main hexads of their own mandala,,,, many
buddhas are not attributed with accesaries as boddhisattivas, for they
already transcend such. (So not popular for ordinary people..., I am not
sure why TarnGatHa is called specifically "Guardian of Being", as one of
Hexad by Alex Ferguson (Ye Book of Tentacles #2).....)
I think Durapdur and Atrilith might be considered such figures, as Un Lo or more superior entities.
+Amitabha
http://www.padmasambhava.org/pbc/gallery/amitayus.php
http://www.asianart.com/exhibitions/svision/i1.html
Great Mercy of West (So sometimes attributed with Avalokiteshvara, see
below), an object of "bhaktism" for Japanese Jyodo and Ikko sects, maybe it
is similar to HeenMaroun, for he wait the west (ing) of Kralorela.....Maybe
his image can be used as HeenMaroun.....
+ Bhaisajyaguru
http://www.bremen.de/info/nepal/Gallery-1/otherbuddhas/3-12/Bhaisay1.htm
Buddha of Healing in the Lapis Lazuli Heaven of East. Not popular among
tibetans but well-known among chinese and japanese, I am far less sure about
its directional attribution to Amitabha and Bhaisajtaguru, but this couple
is quite known in "north" Buddhism....
+Vairocana
http://www.asianart.com/exhibitions/svision/i41.html
http://www.asianart.com/exhibitions/albuquerque/p8.html
Translated by Chinese Priests as "Great Sun Buddha" as the main buddha of
Middle Age Esoteric Buddhism as in Japanese Matranaya Sect.
Maybe Daruda is depicted as Prince Shakamuni in the form of Cakravartirdjan, as a founder of Religion.....
+ Historical Buddha, called Sakyamuni
http://www.asianart.com/exhibitions/svision/i27.html
(In Legend, when Gautama Siddharta was born, his father king of Kapilavastu
was told by a sage that "if this prince stay in the palace, he will be the
conqueror of Three World in the name of Cakravartirdjan, but if he met Three
Agonies before he grew adulthood, he will be the Sage who helps everyone to
achieve the liberation.")
*Bodhisattvas: As dragon emperors regarded as bodhisattva in several bits and pieces of Greg and Alex, as they stay Middle World as dragonet inhuman King of Hemkarba.....(but IK don't pretend to help his subject tailed priests, beaks or warriors, bah, another hinayanas.:-)(
+Avalokitesvara
http://www.manjushri.com/BUDDHA/Avalokitesvara.html
http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/history/buddhist-art/thangka3.htm
Boddhisattva of Mercy. (See above about Amitabha)
Dalai Lama is regarded as an aspect or avatar of Avalokiteshvara, maybe Godunya was shown as similar aspect?
(As you see in the "Journey to the West", Avalokitesvara sometimes depicted as "Goddess" figure at least in China and Japan attributed with , see below about Shakti.)
+ Manjushri
Boddhisattva of Wisdom.
Vayobi? See below about Idam (Mahavajrabhairava is Idam of Manjushiri), for
Tsonkhapa believed he was an avatar of Manjushri, as he holds both pen
(literary) and sword (military)
http://www.manjushri.com/BUDDHA/Manjushri.html
http://www.padmasambhava.org/pbc/gallery/largepic.html?16.jpg
+ Maitreya
http://www.asianart.com/exhibitions/svision/i24.html
The Bright Boddhisattva who will be Buddha in Future.
Many scholars have pointed out influence and similarity to Persian God
Mythra. And Kuukai (Japanese Shinngon sect founder) also greatly revered
this entity.) Shavaya?
http://www.manjushri.com/BUDDHA/Maitreya.html
In China and Japan, Maitreya is attirbuted with potbelly and laughing face symbolises Fertility.....
+ Vajrasattva
For its mystical attribution, I quite likely attribute him with
Alchemist.....though you might object me. http://www.khandro.net/deity_Vajrasattva.htm http://www.padmasambhava.org/pbc/gallery/vajrasattva.php http://www.tibetshop.com/vs95.html http://www.padmasambhava.org/pbc/gallery/largepic.html?13.jpgThalurzni? with his wife Halisayan, Vajrasattva is also known in Japanese Esoteric Buddhism as a bodhisattva of Mantrayana secret, and (later, tantric buddhism)
+ Ksitigarbha
Underworld Boddhisativa who helps sinners now punished.....
Very popular among China and Japan in folktales.
http://www.manjushri.com/BUDDHA/Ksitigarbha.html
Maybe I can apply the days of Wandering Mikaday costuming poor priest...as
many japanese and chinese folk tales.....
(I don't know where Claude got the image for
Mikaday....http://perso.club-internet.fr/manzato/pagepersocm/runequest/rq37.
html)
At least, I can say too small in number for known Kralori deities, compared with this vast volume of Esoteric Buddhism pantheon......
And I, as moderate islander of North, feel uneasy when the southern
radicality derived from the extreme change of heat and cold....and Herukas
and their dakini....
These meddlesome avatars of buddhas and buddhisattivas forcefully try to
enlighten reluctant foolish people, typical mahayana attitude....
(Maybe you can call Shargash as "Idam" of Emperor Yelm....and Alkothite
Black King might be their patron of own Yogistic Way...)
*Idam (Tibetan term, not Sanskrit)
You can call their angry faces quite contrary to Buddha's original idea for
centrist-moderate way against extremism of Hinduistic Asceticism and
Hedonism, Two Great Mainstream set of Tantric Buddhism, "Mother" Tantra
(emphasises Feminity) and "Father" Tantra (emphasises Masculinity)
+Mahakala
http://www.padmasambhava.org/pbc/gallery/mahakala.php
Once it was another name of Hinduistic God Shiva....below are all revered
entities of Late Age Esoteric (Tantric) Buddhism.
+ Heruka, Yamantaka, Vajrabhairava
Yamantaka is Guardian Being of Geluq sect, conquerer of Death (Yama), some
in Dark rumor, Geluq sect has strictly controlled its worship and only
permitted its worship (and use of their dark power was rumored by early day
Dalai Lamas against their rivals) to qualified who passed all of Paramita
teaching......I find difficulty to find Glorantha Kralorela eqivalent for
such entity except few exception like Udam Bagur, but if Alex Ferguson or
others want to use their frenzy power and have ability to control them, I
will greatly appreciate their effort....
http://www.loselingmexico.org/yamantaka.htm
http://www.tibetshop.com/vbh1.html
+ Chakrasambhara
http://www.asianart.com/exhibitions/svision/i32.html
+ Mahavajrabhairava
http://www.asianart.com/exhibitions/svision/i44.html
+ Hevajra
http://www.bremen.de/info/nepal/Gallery-2/Wrathful/5-28/Hevajra-0.htm http://www.tibetshop.com/phe83.html http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/4886/kyedorje001.htmMain Idam of "Mother" Tantra.
+ Kalachakra
Most revered Idam in the latest (and some call, greatest) Tantric Buddhism,
(it combines practice of "Mother" Tantra and "Father" Tantra.)
in Legend, that was first taught in the legendary kingdom of Shambara.
http://www.manjushri.com/LIBRARY/T-kalachakra.htm
+ Mahamaya
http://www.himalayanart.org/image.cfm/70679.html
"Great Illusion", maybe you can call it as a great sarcasm of Tantric
Mahayana, greatest obstacle is now an object of worship....
*Devis (Woman Entities, Shakti in Hinduism)
+Mauamayuri (Peacock....Eagle Phoenix Emperor Metsyla?)
+Agaraja
+Marici
Goddess of Sunlight Shimmer?
*Devas
+Indra
Main God of Ancient Veda as Thunderer, well known among hinduism, though
later depraved its role by Shiva and Vishnu....
+Brahma
God of Prakriti in Sankhaya and "Great-self" in Veddantha, theorised.
So my images are:
TarnGatHa: Bhaisajyaguru?
HeenMaroun: Amitabha?
Metsyla: Mauamayuri (Eagle Phoenix Emperor?)
Shavaya: Maitreya?
Daruda: Shakamuni, Vairocana
Thalurzni: Vajrasattva
Mikaday: Ksitigarbha
Vayobi: Manjushri
Vashanti:
Yanoor:
Godunya: Avalokiteshvara
I have some difficulty to find equivalent for Vashanti and Yanoor, maybe some lamas or gurus of Tibetan Legend.....? Maybe Dalai Lama 5th and 6th....? Padmasambhava and Tsonkapha?
Any comments?
Images
But names are tibetan, not popular sanskrit.....
http://www.geocities.com/kkkdcm3/
Nils:
>I don't know enough about taoism to say anything about that.
Neither do I, except few LaoTzu's teaching.
<<1. THE EMBODIMENT OF TAO
Even the finest teaching is not the Tao itself.
Even the finest name is insufficient to define it.
Without words, the Tao can be experienced,
and without a name, it can be known.
To conduct one's life according to the Tao, is to conduct one's life without regrets; to realize that potential within oneself which is of benefit to all.
Though words or names are not required
to live one's life this way,
to describe it, words and names are used,
that we might better clarify
the way of which we speak,
without confusing it with other ways
in which an individual might choose to live.
Through knowledge, intellectual thought and words,
the manifestations of the Tao are known,
but without such intellectual intent
we might experience the Tao itself.
Both knowledge and experience are real,
but reality has many forms,
which seem to cause complexity.
By using the means appropriate,
we extend ourselves beyond
the barriers of such complexity,
and so experience the Tao. >>
Not good definition, but that is the way there is no apparent way, Greg once
told us that Mystical Experience is not what can be known but only as an
experience....you might find good systemised taoistic, ritualised religion
in later age, but I think this is degraded form as you think Hatha Yoga
toward the spirit of Yoga Sutra, maybe paradox of Kouan is a way to stop our
thinking enough by headache, as Zen Maditation crossing legs causes enough
backache and legache...:-) I think Zen is certainly influenced from such air
of
taoism......
For complexed logic and canon can be another trapping of Middle World........you should be fool!
Uz Illumination: I will hit your head hard, you will be forget to make effort to reach satori.
Greg:
<<Do not fall into the trap of thinking that Glorantha is Earth, and that
the
analogue homelands are like eartthly ones. I will assure that meditative
cults exist in the Empire, that some of them practice Nothing, and that
Patanjali's methodology is mirrored by some Lunar practices.>>
Nick:
<<I prefer Greek philosophical paradoxes for the Lunars, myself:
"Epimenides the Pelandan tells me all Pelandans are liars." Lokarnos can't catch up with a tortoise if you give it a head start. ...that kinda thing. It screws with your head just as effectively.>>
Greg:
<<
Such are also present and preferred by other schools. I'll not comment on
the relative inefficiencies of these systems to encourage Illumination.
>>
Certainly, Greg is biased, as I and Nick. :-) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HeroQuest-RPG/message/12918
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