I don't know either. (I just had some thoughts running through my mind, when I wrote the cryptic sentences about carmanian Humakt. I almost erased them, but then decided to just leave the bit as is and continue.) Well I even boggled events together: Castle Blue - Four Arrows of Light.
Let me find out, (Mistakes are made and corrected!)
[Alakoring Dragonbreaker said: "If I could fight the man myself, I'd be so eager that my sword would raise itself from my sheath." The weapon then lifted silently from it's sheath, and everyone knew that the Great Copromise had somehow been broken.] KoS 97
This passage of the story 'Orlanth and Red Goddes' might have a drop to do with Humakt. Is it not an act of god? A portent. An amen. Action of Truth against a Lie. - The story is orlanthi of course; I do not mean it as an example of carmanian Humakt.
Humakt is a god of death and manifests in the swords. I think I could believe Humakt's presence was felt at Castle Blue even though he didn't participate in the fighting. Would you agree?
-Topi
My vibes about The Four Arrows of Light tell me that Victory there was not Humakt's first objective. Not sure if I can explain, though.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:55:42 +1200
> From: Peter Metcalfe <metcalph_at_quicksilver.net.nz>
> Subject: Humakt and Truth
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> Jane Williams:
>
> > > And why do you say so firmly that Carmanian Humakt doesn't have a
> > > truth rune?
>
> >Because there's a writeup in which his affinities are Death, Combat,
> and
> >Battle. Not Truth or Honour.
>
> Not only is that writeup is extremely short, it doesn't give the runes
> for those affinities and Light Castle's point about aspects is still
> valid. Case in point - most subcults of Orlanth Adventurous do not
> have any Storm Affinities yet Storm is still central to Orlanth.
>
> Personally I would make the combat affinity stem from the Truth
> Rune rather than the more conventional Death Rune to reflect the
> Hazars being warriors of Truth against the Lie.
>
> --Peter Metcalfe
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> --Peter Metcalfe
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> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:22:18 +1200
> From: Peter Metcalfe <metcalph_at_quicksilver.net.nz>
> Subject: Lunar Corn
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> Light Castle:
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> >As long as we are discussing the Moon, can someone give me the
> >lowdown on corn? I get that it was brought to the world by HonEel,
> >who mated with an Elf God on a Hero Quest of some sort.
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> It was introduced from Bliss in Ignorance, a horrible land that lies to
> the
> north of Kralorela.
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> >Also, it seems to require blood sacrifice to grow properly.
>
> The Ignorants require blood sacrifices to grow corn because the soil
> in their land is terrible. Pelorians can grow corn without the blood
> sacrifices but the yield will just be average. If the Pelorians grow
> corn with blood sacrifices then the yield will be exceptional
> compared to other crops.
>
> --Peter Metcalfe
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:40:17 +0100 (BST)
> From: Robert Davis <lamorak33_at_yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Glorantha Digest, Vol 11, Issue 98
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> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 23:16:28 +0100
> From: "Jane Williams"
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> > Always. As Peter mentioned but did not detail, there are
> > other death gods. How they apply with the story of Death and
> > its arrival in the world would be interesting. Note that
> > Zorak Zoran has been called a Death god, even though all he
> > did was steal Death for a while. (As Orlanth did, as Eurmal
> > did, yet neither of them are death gods.)
>
> (Jane)
>
> Babs Gor, too, I believe. Qute a lot who held Death for a bit, but don't
> own it.
>
>
> (me!)
>
> I guess it depends on whether you are viewing it through a given
> religion/cult or the evil mono-myth pedalled by those scurvy god
> learners.....
>
>
> > OK, I need a refresher on what happened at Castle Blue.
>
>
> (Jane)
> Red Goddess showed up, big fight, proved herself to be a late-arriving
> part of the Compromise.
>
>
> (me)
>
> You sure about that? I thought that she was ex-compromise. Hence, has
> other options, most notably including the use of chaos.
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>
>
> (Jane)
> The theory I'm putting in the Earth Tribe one, BTW, is that Babs Gor
> doesn't have Death, and never had. She's got a distorted version of
> Life. The psychological theory then dives headlong into over-18 stuff,
> through sado-masochism and out the other side, to the point that I won't
> be putting it on this list, but I think it makes a weird twisted sort of
> sense.
>
> (Me!)
>
> Babs doesn't have death? Why on earth not? (excuse the pun!) She is a
> bloodthirsty murdering b*i*t*c*h!!! I like her with Death personnally.
> Makes her far morre scary IMO.
>
> Regards
>
> Rob
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 02:01:00 -0400
> From: "Light Castle" <light_castle_at_sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Babs and Death
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> On 5 Apr 2005 at 4:00, "Jane Williams" <janewilliams20_at_yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
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> > Babs Gor, too, I believe. Qute a lot who held Death for a bit, but
> don't
> > own it.
>
> And I have to admit, the more I think about it, the more I think that
> Death (transcendent,
> utter, important Death) is not a god. Certainly not limited to being a
> god. It is a fact.
> There are gods who have wielded it, and own a piece of it, just as there
> must be spirits
> that do the same. (Is there a Death Spirit? Does it make sense to have
> one?)
>
> > > OK, I need a refresher on what happened at Castle Blue.
> >
> > Red Goddess showed up, big fight, proved herself to be a late-arriving
> > part of the Compromise.
>
> OK, so that's what I thought it was. I'm not sure what that has to do
> with Humakt, though.
>
> <Carmanian Hum'Akt>
> > Because there's a writeup in which his affinities are Death, Combat,
> and
> > Battle. Not Truth or Honour.
>
> Which touched off most of this anyway. As I mentioned in an earlier post,
> I have come to
> the thinking of others that the lack of an affinity doesn't mean lack of
> a rune. And as
> example I throw out Orlanth's aspects not all having an air or storm
> affinity. (Indeed,
> Orlanth Allfather has nothing even arguably storm linked.)
>
> > Er... Which one? I seem to remember coming up with at least two, maybe
> > three?
>
> And they are all good. But I was thinknig the Eurmal link in particular.
> The Death as a
> Subset of Separation (at least especially in Theist central continent)
> seems so obvious
> in retrospect that I take it as a given. The Eurmal as his other I am
> adopting because it
> is provocative and interesting.
>
> > And you'll also find a link to "Humakt's Oath"
> > http://www.smartgroups.com/vault/swords/Public/oath.htm
>
> Ahh, Not so much creating the gods as severed parts of himself, but as
> how Death, as a
> Mystery and not simply a Power, changes them all. Which I like very
> much.
>
> > The theory I'm putting in the Earth Tribe one, BTW, is that Babs Gor
> > doesn't have Death, and never had. She's got a distorted version of
> > Life. The psychological theory then dives headlong into over-18 stuff,
> > through sado-masochism and out the other side, to the point that I
> won't
> > be putting it on this list, but I think it makes a weird twisted sort
> of
> > sense.
>
> It does, and I can see what you're hinting at in the story.
>
> What all this has done though, is make me anxious to hear something of
> the other death
> gods. I know very little of the myths about them. Truly Humakt as we know
> him is the
> closest to not only owning death, but Being Death. As has been mentioned,
> he is
> sometimes himself called the weapon that is death. (He is Orlanth's sword
> sometimes,
> and that is sometimes literally, one thinks.) So do any of the others
> have a role like that?
>
> LC
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 07:36:53 +0100
> From: "Jane Williams" <janewilliams20_at_yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: And more story apologies
> To: "'Greg Stafford's world of Glorantha'" <glorantha_at_rpglist.org>
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> > Sure. Here's one of mine.
> >
> > http://www.jane-williams.me.uk/glorantha/stories/humaktearth.cfm
> >
> > you'll find in the intro to that that I wrote it as a dare in
> > response to some Flash about snakes, mushrooms, and badgers.
> > So my apologies if some of it is rather forced as a result.
>
> Reading further, I find some dancing hamsters. I dunno what I was on...
> Well, probably caffiene.
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