Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 18:04:55 +0100 From: RuneQuest-Request@Glorantha.Holland.Sun.COM (Digest Maintainer) To: RuneQuest@Glorantha.Holland.Sun.COM (Daily automated RQ-Digest) Subject: RuneQuest Digest for Fri, 29 Jan 1993 This is an (almost) automated digest, sent out once per day (if any messages are pending). -- Send Submissions to:Enquiries to: The RuneQuest Digest is a mailing list on the subjects of Avalon Hill's RPG and Greg Stafford's world of Glorantha. Maintainer: Henk.Langeveld@Sun.COM --------------------- From: appel@erzo.berkeley.edu (Shannon Appel) Subject: A New Mailing List Message-ID: <9301281714.AA12271@erzo.berkeley.edu> Date: 28 Jan 93 01:14:54 GMT Just to let you all know, I'm starting up a new mailing list called 'The Chaosium Digest.' It will be a forum for the discussion of all of Chaosium's "other" games (ie Pendragon, Call of Cthulhu, Stormbringer, Elric!, Hawkmoon, Superworld, Ringworld, Worlds of Wonder, etc). Games which already have their own mailing lists (ie Runequest) will _not_ be discussed. If you'd like to be added to the new Chaosium Digest, drop me a line at: appel@erzo.berkeley.edu Shannon --------------------- From: alex@dcs.gla.ac.uk (alex) Subject: Sun County Message-ID: <9301281859.AA07174@carcass.dcs.gla.ac.uk> Date: 28 Jan 93 18:59:56 GMT Posted this to rec.games.frp.misc, but not a lot of response. (Though thanks Clay.) Hence, trying again... -- And talking about ol' Sonny Boy... does it strike anyone (apart from me) that the revised Yelmalio cult description in Sun County isn't as revised as it might be? (Not the only one either: at least one GoG divine spell talks about "stacking with a successful divine intervention", rather unRQ3ly.) In particular, the Light Captain business. The new write-up says the LC is "titled" a Chief Priest... now does this mean (or does it not) that the LC must _be_ a Priest, at least at a Major or Great Temple? (I would guess that at a minor temple Light Servants would likely fill all three posts.) This would seem reasonable, and consistent with RQ2. (And if not, then the High Priest isn't allowed to talk to him!) But if so, what are we to make of the suggestion that the LC is also encouraged to be a Light Son? Reasonable-seeming and RQ2-consistent too, but _not_possible_ under RQ3 rules! Sun County provides at least one possible answer itself: Invictus, Light Captain of Sun County is a Light Son and Acolyte, but not a priest. Since this is as close to a Rune Lord-Priest as it's possible to get under RQ3 rules, not too bad. But the write-up also implies that _first_ Invictus became LC, and _then_ an Acolyte. This seems a little odd, to say the least, as it would result in a "Chief Priest" unable to conduct Worship ceremonies. Within the context of the current cult write-up, I would interpret this to mean that the Light Captain of a Sun Dome Temple should be either a Light Priest, or both a Light Son and Acolyte. I would be happier if some kind of RLP position were possible, if only for the post of LC, but this seems to be outwith the scope of the current rules. Admittedly, the only rules distinction between a LS/A and LS/LP would be the additional marriage restrictions that fall on the latter: they are otherwise equivalent wrt Rune Magic, gifts & geasa, allies, and indeed time/tithing requirements. But it seems a little odd in cult hierarchical terms. Other quibbles: Lay Membership: I confess I don't understand the current thinking on lay members. Initially I thought they were being omitted from the short forms only, but most long write-ups lack them too. Surely most cults should have some kind of "Outer Temple: Admit One" status, even if this has little in the way of requirements or benefits. Should Yelmalio be in this category? I would think so, since although the Yelmalions are notorious isolationists, Sun Dome mercenaries need not be initiates, and this seems to be the only accepted mechanism for outsiders to join the cult. Initiates: whatever happened to beast people, and more to the point, griffins? (Dragonewts are Obviously Right Out.) Theories? Light Priests: no POW-based requirement? This seems odd. I'm not sure I much like the RQ3 test of holiness, but no POW test at all is going a bit far, surely. Do many people stick with the old 18 POW restriction, or some variant thereon? Mongroth: POW of 60?!? That's a bit stiff for geas-breaking. Do people play this strictly as written? Mind you, breaking a Humakti geas is worse, but no surprises there. Personally I'd prefer a more sliding scale for retribution, but this might be in keeping with Yelmalion philosophy. Yelorna: are we going to get a revised/reprinted write-up for RQ3? Other Sun County observations: (is there an author in the house?) Notable Personalities: only three priests are mentioned, suspiciously few for a great temple. Has MOB simply not mentioned the others, or do Light Servants make up the numbers? : a Dayzatar-worshiping librarian? This seems a little odd, Isn't D. supposed to have more of a monastic/hermetic cult, rather than a Yelmic Lhankor Mhy? Militia Units: two Corianders? Yamsur: slightly confused here... isn't Yamsur the Splendid supposed to have been a Godtime entity? Solinthor: why would he have become a Yelm the Elder cultist, given the lack of Yelm worship in the area, particularly during the period concerned? Shine, dudes... -- Alex Ferguson. ARPA: alex%dcs.glasgow.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk UUCP: alex@glasgow.uucp BANGNET: ...!mcvax!ukc!dcs.glasgow.ac.uk!alex JANET: alex@uk.ac.glasgow.dcs "You mean you could have walked the galaxy and you simply never bothered?" --------------------- From: jacobus@sonata.cc.purdue.edu Subject: Re: RuneQuest Digest for Thu, 28 Jan 1993 Message-ID: <9301281930.AA09907@sonata.cc.purdue.edu> Date: 28 Jan 93 09:30:17 GMT I'd like to make a point about the experiment done on chain vs. blunt weapons: It is valid for chain, but it is not valid for padding. I've done SCA-style fighting with just a quilt gambeson on my torso before, and I've taken a few hard blows to the body. I felt them but they didn't really hurt. However, were I wearing chain and no padding I would have been hurt: In other words, I've worn a "flexible" or "soft" armor that is VERY effective against blunt weapons--moreso than it would be against edge weapons. I think the "errata" in this instance were written on the "dis sounds good, George" principle rather than from real experimentation or modelling. --------------------- From: T.S.Baguley@open.ac.uk (Thom Baguley) Subject: RE: RuneQuest Digest for Thu, 28 Jan 1993 Message-ID: <9301281926.AA09381@Sun.COM> Date: 28 Jan 93 09:01:26 GMT >From: pvanheus@frodo.cs.uct.ac.za (P A van Heusden) >Subject: Re: RuneQuest Digest for Wed, 27 Jan 1993 >If you've ever worn chain, you'll see why this rule is in there. Crushing >blows get through quite easily, sword points do not. Essentially, someone >over here made some home made some chain (damn good stuff, using rings far >smaller than those used in the medieval version). Being a bunch of raving >psychotics, we tried this stuff out. The two tests were: (1) Take knife (fairly >ordinary switchblade) and stab the guy wearing chain. Result: None. It was >stopped. Dead. The impact was spread out by the links very effectively. >(2) Punch chain wearer as hard as possible. Result: Extreme pain on both sides, >the puncher just having hit a whole pile of steel rings, and the wearer (who >was wearing no padding) just having had a clump of steel rings forced into >his chest. Point taken (I know someone who was stabbed whilst wearing chainmail - the would-be mugger was very surprised when the knife broke). >Conclusion: Soft armour vs. blunt weapons is not too effective. So, why did >they use hammers and things against plate? (1) They were easy to make, so >the average grunt could stand a chance against a downed knight. (2) Momentum. >A war pick is a wonderful thing... tons of momentum, equates to tons of force >on a very small point, equates to one hell of a blow. Swords, on the other >hand, >we just fine for cutting up the peasants, but bounched off anything hard. Again, point taken. Mind you, RQ plate is field plate (as per late medieval armour) or we'd have to reduce critical hit chances for it (maybe those Mostali will think of something). >So, I like the new rule. Let me add a further one: Against very hard armours, >eg. plate, natural weapons do half damage. There's no way a claw is going to >break metal. This means that a knight can go wrestling with a bear... unless >he loses his balance (good possibility) or is crushed to death (even better >possibility). This is fairly sensible. There is some confusion in the RQ rules regarding soft armour: what they really seem to mean is flexible armour (e.g. chain). My comments were mainly intended for soft (i.e. padded) armour such as leather (or bezainted and ringmail which include a layer of leather). My personal preference is to stick with simpler rules unless the new rule is a clear improvement (or common sense). Meanwhile I'll think the armour changes through before applying them. Thom _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ Human Cognition Research Lab _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ The Open University _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ Milton Keynes MK7 6AA, U.K. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Tel: +44 908 65-4518 Fax: -3169 _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ Internet:T.S.Baguley@open.ac.uk --------------------- ~From: dickmj@essex.ac.uk (Dicks M) ~Subject: RE RQ III errata Message-ID: <7450.9301291134@solb1.essex.ac.uk> ~Date: 29 Jan 93 11:34:24 GMT On the subject of overlapping armour, have any of you seen the new RQIV rules? The 'new way' of doing things is to have the weaker armour contribute only half it's A.P's while counting as double ENC!! I don't have the stats here with me, but this means that bezainted (4 A.P) worn under any hard armor except stiff leather or cuirbouilli only counts as 2 A.P and weighs 15 ENC for an average suit. OUCH! We,ve been using this rule for about 3 months now and it does work quite well, making the classic 'ringmail & cuirboulli' scam totally unusable. However, as P A van Heusden and others before him think, we also have made soft leather exempt from this rule. Oh, and did you realise that your average Athurian knight in his plate & chain with soft leather padding under (yes, I do know that this is totally and utterly historically inaccurate, but personally I like 'Excalibur', so bear with me), would have a total armour ENC of 3.5+30+(2*25) = 83.5!!!!! No wonder they fought from horseback!!!! >Against very hard armours, eg. plate, natural weapons do half damage. I like this!!! Anybody got any ideas on the 'you hurt your hand when you punch a brick wall effect'?? How about, any damage in excess of 3 (standard A.P's for a fist parry) + A.P worn on location go as stun damage to your fist?? You'd get, say 1pt back per melee round, but if you go to negative h.p in that location then you can't use it i.e you're hopping around rubbing your sore and bruised knuckles!!! This sort of rule would probably only apply to people that aren't that used to using their fists i.e martial artists would probably be exempt, animals such as a bear definitely would. And another thing........ I can't remember who submitted the article, but the 'pebble in a pond' ideas were brilliant. Any thoughts? - Arganth --------------------- From: SPB1@VMS.BRIGHTON.AC.UK (Ghost Dancer) Subject: Never Trust a ....... Message-ID: <9301291530.AA05039@Sun.COM> Date: 29 Jan 93 15:29:00 GMT "Never trust a magic sword that was made in the Clanking City. I once heard of one that had FireBlade set in it, the only problem was that it would sometimes ignite of its own accord. The guy who owned it sure got through a lot of scabbards!!!" 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