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Subject: RuneQuest Daily, Tue, 08 Jun 1993, part 1
Precedence: junk
Status: OR
The RuneQuest Daily and RuneQuest Digest deal with the subjects of
Avalon Hill's RPG and Greg Stafford's world of Glorantha.
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From: henkl@holland.sun.com (Henk Langeveld - Sun Nederland)
Subject: Re: Requiring POW for long-term Magic
Message-ID: <1993Jun7.152017.4773@holland.sun.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 15:20:17 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 994
brandon@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (Brandon Brylawski) writes:
>I recommend cutting down the duration of sorcerous spells (and perhaps
>some divine spells, too) sharply, while permitting these durations to be
>lengthened substantially by the use of POW sacrifice. In other words, long-
>lasting spells are junior enchantments. Any thoughts?
It feels "right" to me... We would have to extend Extension to Sorcery...
--
Henk | Henk.Langeveld@Sun.COM - Disclaimer: I don't speak for Sun.
oK[] | RuneQuest-Request@Glorantha.Holland.Sun.COM
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From: drcheng@sales.stern.nyu.edu (David Cheng)
Subject: RuneQuest-Con: HOTEL & BOOKINGS
Message-ID:
Date: 7 Jun 93 17:27:12 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 995
Boris asks about RQ-Con lodgings.
RuneQuest-Con will be held at the Columbia Inn, in Columbia, Maryland.
Columbia is a quaint suburb along the Baltimore/Washington DC corridor.
The Inn is a very nice joint for us scruffy-gamer types.
NO - PLEASE DO NOT MAKE RESERVATIONS YET !!!
If it is not too much to ask, please hold off until you get the full
pre-registration booklet, which will list a convenient 800 number for
toll-free service from the hotel.
I might instead suggest that you channel your pent-up energy into
writing several tournaments to run at RQ-Con, so that you can save
even more money by getting in free... ;-)
-David Cheng
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From: carlf@Panix.Com (Carl Fink)
Subject: RuneQuest Daily, Mon, 07
Message-ID: <199306071905.AA20728@sun.Panix.Com>
Date: 7 Jun 93 11:05:50 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 996
To: RuneQuest@glorantha.holland.sun.com
Subject: A new heroquest, and sorcery
Precedence: junk
f6ri@midway.uchicago.edu (charles gregory fried) writes:
R>Greg Fried here.
R>I have a request for all you myth-makers out there. Help me think about a
>heroquest!
R>In my campaign in the East Isles, I have a PC who is the member of a
>paleolithic fisher-tribe. For many generations, his ancestors were held
>subject by a vicious tribe of shark worshipers. The fishers were eventually
>liberated, but not by their own efforts -- a foreign people expelled the
>sharkies (as my players call them). The thing is, now the fishers have
>'forgotten' all but the dimmest memories of their founding ancestors.
R>The PC in question is a worshiper of (the equivalent of) Daka Fal. He is
>very pious. He wants to re-member his dis-membered ancestors! My sense is,
>he must go on a heroquest to do this. Does that sound right? Any
>thoughts/intuitions/advice on what such a heroquest would look like?
Well, certainly a heroquest would be *a* way to do it. Keep in mind,
a paleolithic fisher, likely illiterate, would not know the word
"heroquest", and would have no concept of the pre-Time world, or of the
organized system of leaving the Inner World invented by Arkat and
perfected by the God Learners. He'd very likely just get in a canoe,
ask the advice of a shaman, and sail off, hoping to be guided by the
spirits to the right place.
...which could happen, this is Glorantha. If he follows a
stereotypical heroquest Path, he'll have to strive backwards through
Time in reverse order, perhaps aiding/being aided by the foreigners in
escaping the Sharkies, spending a subjective century in servitude, etc.
Since his quest is likely to be uncontrolled and unsophisticated, he
probably won't know how to return, and after meeting his ancestors he
may wander off through the lands of Myth, meeting Humakt and being
killed in the role of Grandfather Mortal, or perhaps fighting in the I
Fought We Won battle.
As an alternative, he might travel backward through Time easily, but
have to fight his way forward to return, thus seeing the land fly away
into the sky leaving his island, his people becoming fisherfolk, the
Sharkies arriving, etc.
Improvise a bit.
Remember, by the way, that almost everyone in the East Isles is
descended from the wondrous Empire of Vithaela, which withdrew beyond
the dome of Heaven before the Great Darkness. That is, they're mostly
Kralori in race and Kralori-descended in culture.
Carl, whose East Isles game is much more like Hong Kong
chop-saki movies
100116.2616@CompuServe.COM (David Hall) writes in part:
R>Any new sorcery rules have to have at their heart the Malkioni religion and
>its caste system. They have to explain the relationship and attitude that
>each caste has concerning sorcery - for each of the sects. Ideally, perhaps
>there should be a different sorcery system for each sect!
Um, David, *most* sorcery users on Glorantha are NOT Malkioni. The
Dwarfs, Kralori, East Islanders, many Pamaltelans, and some trolls use
sorcery, and have nothing to do with Malkion.
OTOH, we certainly have discussed varying sorcery by sect.
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From: ccwf@cns.caltech.edu (Charles Fu)
Subject: Re: Character Sheets Boxes and other RQ items
Message-ID: <9306071936.AA05769@buddha.cns.caltech.edu>
Date: 7 Jun 93 19:36:25 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 997
Unless AH has changed their catalog (unfortunately, I don't have a recent
one), you can mail order these sets from them. You can even just mail order
just the boxes since it seems they are what you are really interested in.
People having difficulty locating AH RQ material should not overlook this
valuable resource. Just call up AH and place your order. Of course, I'm sure
there are extra costs for those overseas, if they ship overseas at all.
-ccwf
(not affiliated with AH, merely someone who mail ordered about $150 worth of
AH RQ stuff about 5 years ago)
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From: mabeyke@batman.b11.ingr.com (boris)
Subject: Musings on Recoverable Runemagic
Message-ID: <199306072004.AA21224@batman.b11.ingr.com>
Date: 7 Jun 93 20:04:03 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 998
I was perusing old rqdaily's earlier, and got to thinking about common
divine spells. Not the spells that are offered by every cult, but the
spells that cults teach at their shrines. These should be the spells
that the cults want everyone to have, the magic that they want everyone
casting.
In a lot of cases, this works out. Storm Bull shrines teach Impede Chaos
(arguably, Berserk would be a better choice, but this works), Humakt
shrines teach Truesword, etc. But some, from a social aspect, don't
make sense to me. For instance, Ernalda shrines teach Bless Crops. But
surely you would have the priestess, or at least an acolyte (godi?)
come to do this? She'll have several castings, with a high ceremony skill,
and the Goddess is *sure* to hear her. Perhaps the farmers will take part,
fertilizing the fields with their wives or sweethearts, but the blessing
itself would be cast by those blessed by the goddess. Especially since
Heal Body or even Command Swine would make more sense as a shrine spell.
An even better example is Cloud Call, taught at Orlanth shrines. So this
means that most farmers will have it. So, say it's a dry season. Each
one of hundreds of farmers think's "Hmm, could use some rain. I'll cast
Cloud Call." Severall hundred points of Cloud Call are cast within a few
tens of miles over a weeks time. Cloud cover increases to 300-500%, and
floods wipe out everybody's crops. Sure makes sense to make this widely
available! Surely, you would want this controlled by the priests and
chieftains. Wouldn't Shield make a much better spell to have at shrines?
Enough ranting for now, I guess.
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The squeaky wheel is still worth twenty guilders.
Yelmalio proverb.
Boris
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From: WALLMAN@VAX2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (Ed Wallman)
Subject: RULES VS. GLORANTHA
Message-ID: <01GZ40CAXHAA0004YH@VAX2.Winona.MSUS.EDU>
Date: 7 Jun 93 16:16:24 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 999
>From: pvanheus@cs.uct.ac.za (Peter van Heusden)
>However, I would agree, it is rather irritating getting them mixed up. I
>don't particularly want to read about Glorantha. So: How do people feel
>about splitting the Digest into a "Rules" digest and a "Glorantha" one? Sure,
>"Gloranthan rules" are ok in the Rules section, just not Gloranthan theology,
>myth, etc. And Henk, how do you feel about running 2 lists?
Yes. I have been thinking the same thing, for the opposite reason.
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From: joe@sartar.toppoint.de (Joerg Baumgartner)
Subject: Re: RuneQuest Daily, Fri, 04 Jun 1993, part 1
Message-ID:
Date: 8 Jun 93 08:05:51 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 1000
__________________________
Tom Zunder in X-RQ-ID: 940
> I'd like to say that I'd love to go to a European RQ convention.
>
> I'm British, we could have French, Germans, Finns all congregating and
> having more fun translating than any game!
>
> Seriously if the Germans want to hold a multilinguial con, assigning
> nations in Europe to language groups in Glorantha, of course, then I'd
> come!
Whoah! Hold it!
I described but one event which hapened that way, it was not the entire
convention. What we do is hold our annual convention, play and talk
RuneQuest without end AND invite some guests of honor. This time that
was David Hall. There are quite a lot of native English speakers attendant,
and we'd be happy to have more guests from ohter countries.
The languages pose a problem, though. While I consider myself quite fluent
in English, German and some Scandinavian languages, my French and Finnish
are that of a beginner, and I don't speak Spanish or Dutch. Since I can't
imagine hosting a convention with interpreters running around...
Seriously, we can guarantee some English language events, if warned
before, we might be able to expand that number. But to host a Europe-wide
RuneQuest-convention wouldrequire lots of promotion and preparation. And
where should it take place?
I'd guess that Convulsion in Leicester next year will pretty much fulfil
that purpose. Be sure to expect some German, Swedish and probably Dutch
guests, maybe advertise in France, and we pretty much have our European
convention.
As for coming to Germany for a RuneQuest-convention: All of you are welcome.
The next one will most probably take place in the Dortmund area about
21st to 23rd of May 1994. Contact me after September for more information.
But then - what a intriguing idea to have the European convention!
What do the rest of you think?
--
-- Joerg Baumgartner joe@sartar.toppoint.de
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From: MOBTOTRM@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Bad Pun...
Message-ID: <01GZ594D0F5E90O28L@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>
Date: 9 Jun 93 05:39:05 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 1001
My rantings about sorcery yesterday...
>Makes you wonder what civilised countries like Loskalm with
>adepts on tap could do with their armies doesn't it?
Not a bad pun really, but an unintentional one, I assure you.
+- +- +- +- +- +- +- +- +- +- +- +-
>How do people feel about splitting the Digest into a "Rules" digest
>and a "Glorantha" one?
I think this is a bad idea. Often it's difficult to differentiate what would
be "rules" and what would be Gloranthan esoterica. Where would you put
the various discussions about Rune-based sorcery? Posting to both
would be unnecessarily cluttered. Rules don't really interest me,
but occasionally something piques my interest and I'll read it.
Otherwise, I just zip through to the next topic. Unless you've got
a 70 baud modem I can't see how this is a problem (my father-in-law
had a 70 baud modem about 25 years ago which was the size of a
microwave oven).
well, better get back (read: start!) that damn essay!
MOB
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From: henkl@holland.sun.com (Henk Langeveld - Sun Nederland)
Subject: Re: Boris Mikey: Runes
Message-ID: <1993Jun8.102942.22196@holland.sun.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 10:29:42 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 1002
Thanks for those Runes...
--
Henk | Henk.Langeveld@Sun.COM - Disclaimer: I don't speak for Sun.
oK[] | RuneQuest-Request@Glorantha.Holland.Sun.COM
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From: pvanheus@cs.uct.ac.za (Peter van Heusden)
Subject: Re: Backward Compatible Sorcery
Message-ID:
Date: 8 Jun 93 15:22:48 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 1003
> From: MOBTOTRM@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
> Subject: Backwards Compatibility of Sorcery
> Message-ID: <01GZ2116GTVM90N5MH@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>
> Date: 6 Jun 93 22:16:37 GMT
> X-RQ-ID: 975
>
> I thought I'd put in my 2L worth about sorcery - a subject which quite
> frankly is not close to my heart. However, when I read that the intent of the
> RQIV developers was to make it as backwardly compatible to RQ3 as possible,
> I could only ask the question, "why?"
>
> I remember my initial reaction to the sorcery rules way back in 1984: a
> big yawn, really. Like RQ3's divine magic rules they had no
> Gloranthan context - but at least with the divine magic, as an old
> RQ2er I had CoP and CoT to fall back on. With no Gloranthan context,
> they had little interest, but we hoped that would be rectified with a
> "Malkion-Pak", somewhere not too far down the production schedule
[Long discussion of supplements unavailable in South Africa deleted]
1) I agree the sorcery rules have problems. I think they can be fixed without
too much hassle though.
2) It is time that the readers of this Digest realise that they are part of
a larger community. Not all the Digest readers play in Glorantha. I think
from previous discussions there is ample evidence that a large number of
Digest contributors don't play in Glorantha (eg. Loren, myself). I, for one,
never will. The same holds for the Runequest community. It is meaningless
to say "RuneQuest is Glorantha" when quite obviously that is not true for
a sizeable group.
3) A large number of people entered RuneQuest after RuneQuest II, and play
RuneQuest III. Some even prefer RQ III.
So, we are dealing with a large group of people for whom a compatibility
problem with RQ III will be a compatibility problem with their games. And
RuneQuest II didn't have a Sorcery system to be compatible to. In fact, as
far as I am told, not much is known about the Gloranthan West, where Sorcery
comes from, so how can it be claimed that the "flavour" is wrong?
Supplements
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As for those who proclaim that they dropped RQ because of no supplements:
You must surely be joking. Our roleplaying group has been playing Rolemaster
for years without ever seeing anything besides the rulebooks (The Laws, and
the Companions). Background is nice, but if its not available, you can live
without it. Compatibility problems with other campaigns, yes, but so what?
Every DM I know works on his own.
RQ4 Matters
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The list seems ok, but it sends list errors to the sender. Can't a X-errors
field or something be put in its works so I don't have to get lots of
returned mail? BTW. I'm also looking for the RQ4 Sorcery rules, if someone
has them. (Hey, I know this could have gone to the RQ4 list, but I happen
to be thinking of this now.)
History
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One thing which has been puzzling me: What is the history of RuneQuest? And
Glorantha? When did Greg put his world together? When did it all start? Can
some of you Great Old Ones enlighten me? (I wonder what RQ I must have looked
like...)
Peter
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