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Subject: RuneQuest Daily, Tue, 06 Jul 1993, part 1
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The RuneQuest Daily and RuneQuest Digest deal with the subjects of
Avalon Hill's RPG and Greg Stafford's world of Glorantha.

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From: JARDINE@RMCS.CRANFIELD.AC.UK
Subject: DUKE RAUS
Message-ID: <9307051557.AA24984@Sun.COM>
Date: 5 Jul 93 16:02:00 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 1219


Hi there everybody I bet you all thought I had shut up or just got bored.  
No chance!  I have just come back froma two week holiday, No Conference, 
in the French Alps, practicing mountain biking, rafting and Neural Networks.

Now since I have been out of contact I have noticed that several people 
have made additional comments about the Duke Raus ancestor worship thingy.  

Ref: X-RQ-ID: 1111 --- Tom Zunder
     and also David Ingram I think?

Duke Raus' priest casts his Summon Ancestor for him!!!

Think about this everyone.  From what I understand about the spell it summons 
one of YOUR ancestors, thus the grossness of Mistress Race Troll Shamen.  So
if the above version of reality is true then the priest must be part of Raus'
family.  This is not mentioned specifically and thus is a fairly tenuous 
assumption to make.  I have always personally favoured the theory that Raus
keeps a retained Seven Mothers Acolyte/Priest for both respectability and the 
source of handy divine magic that he can provide.  Publicly I suspect that 
Raus pays at least lipservice to the Lunar religion, and I am sure that many
of his servants are more fervent.  Thus to avoid half his staff trekking off 
to the nearest Seven Mothers Temple on each holy day he sensibly keeps a 
Priest to hand.  

Thus to get back to my original point Raus must have reusable Summon Ancestor, 
but I doubt very much whether he could be bothered (or has time for) the 
complete shamans thing with wandering about on the spirit plane and such.  
Thus I think that rules purists need to think again.  

Well I bet the above forces some grey cells into action.  

            Selwi Jerandi

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From: a902430@tiuk.ti.com (Bob Luckin)
Subject: God Learners, Divination, shopping cart accident ?
Message-ID: <9307051806.AA01543@ibrox.tiuk.ti.com>
Date: 5 Jul 93 18:06:56 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 1220

To Paul :
-------

I liked your descriptions of the various surviving God Learner types.  I'm
glad you made the point they were actually quite rare and spread out over a
large number of years - otherwise everyone on Glorantha would have had to have
known they weren't destroyed by now !

You mention the Net/Web.  I assume this is Arachne Solara's net, and the GL's
managed to discover how to travel on it much as she does ?

"concert magic" : You mean spells like 'amplify harp', and 'create laser show',
don't you ?  :-)

The idea of a Jrusteli splinter group that even the rest of the Jrusteli think
are too dangerous definitely appeals !  But surely in that case the Gods would
have wanted to wipe them out as well as the ordinary Jrusteli.  How were they
'iced', and how did this prevent the Gods getting them ?

I still have this feeling there's a whole society of them out there somewhere,
either still pulling strings and manipulating things, or waiting for the
opportunity to do so...


Divination Methods :
------------------

I reckon Storm Bulls probably head-butt the nearest wall or post, and then
interpret the dents they made...

Donandar cultists put a message in a bottle and throw it into the sea, then
sit on the beach and wait for the tide to bring in a reply by the same method.

Issaries Desert Trackers check the marks on the next piece of hyena skin they
come across.

Yinkin cultists check the shape of the next fur ball that gets coughed up.

Mee Voralans trigger a spore eruption of a special fungus, and then check the
pattern made by the fallen spores.


David Gadbois :
-------------

Thanks for the Origins write up.  I know I shouldn't ask, but the trickster in
me is just too curious : a shopping cart accident ?!

Cheers, Bob Luckin   (voly@tiuk.ti.com)

                      A man, a plan, a canal - Puzzle !


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From: gadbois@cs.utexas.edu (David Gadbois)
Subject: Re: Wanted
Message-ID: <9307051819.AA22898@muleshoe.cs.utexas.edu>
Date: 5 Jul 93 08:19:48 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 1221


   From: runei@ifi.uio.no (Rune Andre Isene)
   Date: 4 Jul 93 03:17:11 GMT
   X-RQ-ID: 1214

   i wondered if anyone have and is willing to part with the following
   rq stuff:  [...]

There is an outfit called Crazy Egor's that will do searches for
out-of-print gaming material.  They seem like a good bet.  Their card
says they do world-wide mail order.  Contact info:

   Crazy Egor's
   Henrietta Townline Plaza
   3047 W. Henrietta Rd.
   Rochester, NY 14623
   USA

   Voice: +1 716-427-2190 (and 800-427-8628)
   Fax: +1 716-427-8182

--David Gadbois

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From: eco0kkn@cabell.vcu.edu (Kirsten K. Niemann)
Subject: Rune Deck & GL secret
Message-ID: <9307051823.AA27586@cabell.vcu.edu>
Date: 5 Jul 93 18:23:32 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 1222

Mike Dawson here, regardless of header

Interesting that the subject of tarot would come up. I began working
on a Gloranthan tarot analog last year, and have preliminarily
pitched it at Stafford. It is NOT a redrawn tarot, since I did not
want to pull the eart traditon into Glorantha.

Standard decks have 56 cards.
There are no "Major" or "Minor" differentiations.
There are 5 suites of 8, one suite of 5 and one suite of 3.
The deck is a god learner survival, and teaches many subversive
lessons to those who study them. (Like the assignment of set runes to
specific deities.)
Regional variations occur, like the replacement of the Lightbringers
with the Seven Mothers in the Lunar Deck.

I don't have my whoel writeup with me, but here's the basics:

Suites:
The Questers
The Dark Ones
Forms & Powers
The Great Ones
Places
(all the above are suites of 8)
The Elements (5)
The Cursed Ones (3. The Void, The Riddler, The Devil)

You can divine in several patterns: The Path, The Web, etc.

You can also play a game, currently working under the title
"Creation," which is a bit like poker, rummy, Illuminati, and the
trading phase of Civilization. (the board game, not the computer
game.)

At the moment, it is stalled by my other commitments to Strangers in
Prax for AH, Castle of Bones for Pendragon, and Real Life for me. The
game portion of it needs work, since at the moment their are rules
opionts that don't come up often enough (like when the Void destroys
the Spike, preventing any further trading and destroying the discard
pile.)

Curtis Shenton and the Secret of the God Learners

I heard a rumor that Nick Brooke not only knows The Secret of the God
Learners, but figured it out all by himself, then got Stafford to
confirm it. I bow down before such aetherial brilliance.

The newest news from Ken and Avalon Hill is twofold:

Due to constraints on schedule and the stiff amount of development
necessary, RQ IV will not be published for a year or more. I know
that Ken is not actively working on it in any way.

RQ III will be re-published in a single book format, with no changes
to it except the inclusion of errata at the back (not in corrected
main text.) In the new print run, RQ III will be marketable to
mainline bookstores, hopefully attracting a new crowd of players. It
will also retail for many fewer $$, possibly around US $ 20. The
decision to publish without re-setting is an economic one; apparantly
making even the slightest changes to the old (pre-desktop publishing)
masters would entail massive expense. Refer to the $20 price, above.
 
The RQ IV playtest thingie.

That news said, I still want to know how to get on the IV playtest.
Is it a board, a list, or what? I never saw a mention of how to get
on it in the daily.

Oh, by the way, all that Rune Deck Stuff is (C) 1992 by Me, Mike
Dawson. If there is interest, I'll sendthe whole ms to the digest for
next time out. Warning: the ms is very heavy on description of art.

M>|<
Mike Dawson

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From: marce@holonet.net (rev. marc l. eyraud)
Subject: godlearner secret
Message-ID: <9307052346.AA28924@holonet.net>
Date: 5 Jul 93 23:46:57 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 1223

hello
another lurker here peeking out from behind a skullbush

i recall reading somewhere that there were 7 people in the world
(presumably, this world) that knew the godlearner secret....

greg is of course one, and the person that wrote whatever it was i read
was another....

so, if no one is lying, there is a secret and some "real" people know what
it is...

anyone going to step forward?

(sorry, that was the best i could do curtis)
me


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From: pete@slough.mit.edu (Pete c/o Tom Yates)
Subject: Re:  RuneQuest Daily, Mon, 05 Jul 1993, part 1
Message-ID: <9307060553.AA21855@Sun.COM>
Date: 6 Jul 93 05:56:41 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 1224

	In regard to photocopying old RQ II material, I'm extremely
curious as to the legal ramifications of this. As I understand it, none
of these supplements will be republished; however, most of the material
may *eventually* be recycled into RQIV products.

	The problem, of course, is that such recycling is mroe than a
little haphazard. We can trust Ken not to pull an Atlas, of course. I'm
sure he won't duplicate material in three or four different sources.

	On the other hand, material may not be organized in as interesting
a manner in the new releases. I for one was a bit disappointed to see that
the new Pavis-area supplements did not include considerable quantities of
information that were in the old _Pavis_ and _Big Rubble_. 

	Here's what I'm wondering: Is it legal to copy old RQII material?
I'm fairly sure it's not legal to copy it and sell it. Whether or not it's
legal to copy it for your own use, or to give it away, is another question.
Does anyone know? Because I have serious doubts that I'll ever be able to
find a copy of _Borderlands_ or any _Wyrm's Footnotes_ any other way.

	Even if I were to acquire them somehow, I'd still buy the new
suplpements of course. I picked up Snake Pipe Hollow and all the other
new material despite the fact that I already had the RQII versions. 

	Just wondering...

	On a seperate note, is there anyone else out there who misses
the old _Foes_ book? I think that was the title. It contained vast
numbers of pre-generated NPCs for RQII. The thing that I loved about it 
was the little touches -- like the hamster listed after the stats for the
pet store owner. The hamster's special attack was "Very Cuddly".

	Hmm. You know, I can't recall much of that sort of offbeat
humor in any of the post RQII supplements. I wonder if that means anything?

								-->Pete
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Peter Maranci                                          Malden, Massachusetts
pete@slough.mit.edu                   or                   rune@trystero.com
"Hey! Your Tien fell in my Atyar!"  "Well, your Atyar got in my Tien!"
Thanatar -- two great Chaos Gods that go great together!

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From: STEVEG@ARC.UG.EDS.COM (Entropy needs no maintenance)
Subject: Halite Mines
Message-ID: <01H07F183U4Y0081GS@UG.EDS.COM>
Date: 5 Jul 93 19:18:04 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 1225

MOBTOTRM@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au asks
>I know bugger all about salt mines: what sort of rock does natural 
>salt occur in?  Would their be water there too?  How easy is it to
>dig out the salt?  What sort of living/health problems would the 
>poor bastards condemned down there have?

Salt forms when a sea dries out;  so from bottom to top - sandstone or shale 
from the sea bed, then gypsum, followed by salt, followed by sandstone laid 
down in desert conditions, perhaps repeated a number of times.  The deposits 
can only endure if sealed from groundwater by layers of impermeable rock 
above.  Layers can vary from inches to tens of feet in thickness.

The salt is a comparativelty soft rock; the main health problem is the salt 
dust.  This is why modern extraction is usually by solutiuon in hot water


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From: MOBTOTRM@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: RQ items wish list (Rune Andre...)
Message-ID: <01H08L1L03RM96Z7MP@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>
Date: 7 Jul 93 09:21:10 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 1226

>From: runei@ifi.uio.no (Rune Andre Isene)
>Subject: Wanted
>i wondered if anyone have and is willing to part with the 
>following rq stuff: (an exhaustive list follows...)

Some of these items will be auctioned for the GoH fund at RQ Con in 
Baltimore, January 1994.  Items that I know will *definitely* be 
available ('cos I will be donating them) include:

Balastor's Barracks 
Apple Lane
Scorpionmen and Broos
Militia and Merceneries
Griffin Mountain (5 *mint* copies!)

Also, but not on your list:

RuneQuest First Edition (signed by Greg Stafford)
Sun County (autographed by the authors, inc. G.S.)


MOB