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From: schumann@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de (Erik Schumann)
Subject: Q: Calender and Holy Days
Message-ID: <199401101016.AA08696@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de>
Date: 10 Jan 94 12:16:34 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 2767

Hello out there.

I was just wandering about the Holy Days on Glorantha.
Certainly there is this Praxian Calender with the Holy Days of _some_
Deitys, but there is no statement on _why_ certain Dietys have their
Holy Day on that special Day.
So its difficult to make up your own Holy Days for the Missing Gods (
e.g. Ernalda)

Some possibilty to solve the Problem could be a kind of calendar,
where you take the matching Runes from each season, week and day and
try to match them to some Runes of the Gods.
But does it work ?

Have a nice day,
	       Erik.


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From: watson@computing-science.aberdeen.ac.uk (Colin Watson)
Subject: anti-archery; elementals; celts...
Message-ID: <9401101038.AA13507@condor>
Date: 10 Jan 94 10:38:45 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 2768

_____
Sandy wrote:

>Probably a poor choice for a Lunar (i.e., anti-storm) god.

I thought the Lunar anti-storm stance was the result of circumstance (ie. the
Orlanthi cause trouble for the Empire so the Lunars don't like Orlanth) rather
than general inclination. Wouldn't Lunars exploit storm magic like any other
type of magic if they got the chance?

Concerning elementals:
>Darkness > Earth > Air > Water > Fire > Darkness

That circle of dominance is a neat insight.
Wish I'd thought of it.

_______
Joerg's wrote his 0.02DM:

>CW>>I never really saw what was so Celtic about Orlanthi
>
>the way they combine warrior god worship with earth mother worship...
>Another thing is the ritual sacrifice of kings after a certain period of 
>time, like in Tarsh, the elective King motive, the Great Marriage motive...
[etc. etc.]

Ok, Joerg, I'm convinced. ;-)


>CW>the best way to screw archers would be with a spell which increased the
>CW>strength of the wind locally (like Cloudcall increases cloud cover)
>
>No it isn't, unless you create whirlwinds or alternating wind forces. I've 
>shot fairly reliably into a five metre radius circle over 165 metres with 
>(real world) wind strength 11 against the wind.

I believe you. I based my idea upon the RQ rules for wind-strength/missile
fire, not upon any semblance of the real-world realities...
I also forgot about the benefit of firing into massed groups of targets -
in battle conditions this would probably override all other factors (even
the wind).

>If you want to annoy archers, weaken their bows, so that range, damage and 
>reliability are reduced. I know of one inccident in the Cid's Spain where 
>the moorish horse archery was rendered useless because heavy rain dissolved 
>the glue of their composite bows.

You're right, I forgot about this one. Comp bows don't work in damp climates;
just as longbows don't work in arid conditions (they dry out and become
brittle). 

>Maybe sudden, dense fog would do the trick - with visibility and bow force 
>reduced, the horse archers do get problems.

Yes, pity that the Orlanthi seem to have a monopoly on decent weather magic...

___
CW.

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From: jla@cs.tut.fi (Laajam{ki Jorma)
Subject: RuneQuest Daily, Mon, 10 Jan 1994, part 2
Message-ID: <199401101043.AA10398@hakki.cs.tut.fi>
Date: 10 Jan 94 14:43:36 GMT
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From: jla@cs.tut.fi (Laajam{ki Jorma)
Subject: line. RuneQuest Daily, Mon, 10 Jan 1994, part 2
Message-ID: <199401101111.AA10436@hakki.cs.tut.fi>
Date: 10 Jan 94 15:11:02 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 2770

What`s the story about Gold wheel dancers?
I like to know more, i know they all should
be death, but nobody ever knows..

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From: JARDINE@RMCS.CRANFIELD.AC.UK
Subject: YA anti archery spell
Message-ID: <9401101403.AA08651@Sun.COM>
Date: 10 Jan 94 13:03:00 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 2772


Hi 
	I have had an idea for the Yara Arnais anti-archery spell.  
The spell is designed to allow a few casters to cover a unit.  
The protection offered by the spell is not perfect, but allows the 
vast majority of a unit to stand up to arrow fire without harm.  

Moon Web (aka Moon Beam Web, Goddess' Curtain, Arrow Stopper).

Passive, Temporal, Stackable, Reusable.  

The spell creates a shimmering, translucent-crimson, curtain-like web of 
moon-beams, which slow down arrows and other objects passing through it.  
Each point of the spell creates a 10 metre by 10 metre vertical wall,  
which protects everything behind it out to a reasonable distance (at 
least 10 metres), which depends on the trajectory of the arrow.  
The wall reduces the amount of damage done by arrows and other missile 
weapons (except for critical hits) by 1 for every MP that was expended 
when the wall was errected.  

The wall also slows down charging creatures which reduces their damage 
bonus (but not weapon damage) by the strength of the wall.  Slow moving 
creatures can pass through the web feeling only slight resistance.

Lunar troops shelter behind these walls when fighting cavalry armies.  
Crossbowmen can shelter behind the wall only advancing through it to shoot 
and retiring to reload.  

	-----
	Lewis
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From: pmichaels@aol.com
Subject: error
Message-ID: <9401100942.tn97665@aol.com>
Date: 10 Jan 94 14:42:49 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 2773

mea culpa, mea culpa....

Bowslow should be a 3 point spell, not variable.  It will reduce the attack
chance on a missile under the effects of Firearrow, but will not reduce the
damage.

Peace,   Peter

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From: watson@computing-science.aberdeen.ac.uk (Colin Watson)
Subject: spirits bound into areas
Message-ID: <9401101442.AA18942@condor>
Date: 10 Jan 94 14:42:48 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 2774

_______________
Robert McArthur wrote:
>The GM said that when the stockade was created, spirits were bound
>inside the walls to protect the place, check people going through the
>gates, as well as those attempting to climb the walls stealthly at night
>et al.  Now, it seems to me that, if you have such spirits, you hardly need
>many troops walking around protecting the place...
>
>Comments from anyone?

As far as RQ3 is concerned, I assume a bound spirit has no perception beyond
the area or object where it is bound (unless it can cast spells like
Second Sight, Project Sight etc.). If a spirit was bound into the walls
then it could sense anyone touching the walls; if it was bound into the area
encompassed by the walls then it could sense anyone passing through that
area. The drawback is that it is very expensive (in terms of POW) to bind
a spirit into a large area (the stockade could be a couple of hundred
square meters, yes?).
When it senses a person, the reaction of the spirit is determined by the
conditions of its binding. It could have a condition to react only to
non-Lunar-initiates for example (although I've no idea how it tests this...).
It could then cast spells to raise alarm or attack the intruders.

>Can they engage in spirit combat with a spirit coming through the wall?

IMO a spirit bound to a mundane object/area no longer has
perception in the spirit plane unless it can cast Second Sight or similar
(but this view was debated a while ago...) so someone could discorporate
and sneak past; however it's also debatable how much of the mundane plane
is perceived by a discorporate shaman - to be useful you'd have to cast
visibility in order to interact with the mundane world otherwise
you'd have great difficulty telling where you were in relation to it.

Even if the bound spirit had some means of detecting a discorporate shaman
(eg. it happened to have cast Second Sight within the last five mins) it
couldn't engage in spirit combat unless it was released from its binding.
(This could be a triggered condition of the binding I suppose).

>Are spirits normally bound like this?

A Warding spell would be a more "normal" way to protect a building; but
there's nothing to stop them Lunars binding spirits if they like.

>How many of them? Size of them?

"How big's a gnome?" as one of my acquaintences once asked.
These questions can only be answered by your GM. There can be as many
spirits as large as your GM's conscience will allow in his/her game.

>Can they detect enemies (and of whom)?

The Detect Enemies spell clearly only senses enemies of the caster (who is the
bound spirit in this case). 

>Annoyed beaten-up character spirits want to know!

I think your GM is trying to tell you something.
If I was you, I'd stay away from that stockade until (s)he hints otherwise...


And if you really want to pry into places where you ain't meant to -
run a sorcerer with some Project(Sense) spells. ;->
___
CW.

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From: jclannom@mathlab.mtu.edu (Joe Lannom)
Subject: Races and fantasy gaming
Message-ID: <9401101522.AA00146@mathlab.mtu.edu>
Date: 10 Jan 94 15:22:21 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 2775

From the quill of Sandy Peterson:

|> The player said that HER dwarf was tall and willowy. I was amazed, and 

|> said, "What an unusual dwarf you have.  I'm very impressed." Then the 

|> player lectured me about racial prejudice and stereotyping. 


I agree that there are varients in the appearance of different individuals  
within a race... (the above may be an EXTREME example).  However, I'd  
remind such a person that this is a BRONZE AGE world.  A world where  
people are killed JUST because they worship an enemy god, belong to a  
different race, have a tendancy to lean towards red as a preffered color  
scheme...

If she didn't get jeers from people because she was a dwarf, she'd get  
hassled by her own race because she was a FREAK!  A miscast cog in the  
world machine.  A warped sprocket thats bound to be torn off sooner than  
later.  A phillips head screw with a star shaped head instead of a  
cross... She's just not threaded right.  Get her out of here.  She doesn't  
even get a place in the spare parts bin.

If you want to give such a person their own way (ok, so you ARE a thin, 2  
meter tall dwarf), find a reasonable explanation for their appearance.   
Since dwarves are so, well, weird, I wouldn't think that they could really  
crossbreed with humans or trolls, (or cross pollenate with elves), so  
maybe her character had hyperthyroidism, or giantism with ALL the  
associated health problems.

Race is defined as: a division of mankind possessing traits that are  
transmissible by descent and sufficient to characterize it as a distinct  
human type.

Most of the dwarves are, well, dwarves... maybe if she had the funky eyes  
and the tendancy to pull apart toasters and vacuum cleaners to see how  
they work that would still classify her as a dwarf...  The elves would  
still take her apart on sight. (But thats racist!!  Sorry, you didn't say  
that in the tongue of the aldryami, they don't seem to understand you...  
(hack, hack, hack, beat, beat, beat))

Hmm... maybe it was a chaos feature that she didn't know about...

But enough about that....

joe 

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From: ddunham@radiomail.net (David Dunham)
Subject: Aztecs; Yara Aranis; fighting archers
Message-ID: <199401102123.AA03890@radiomail.net>
Date: 10 Jan 94 21:23:39 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 2777

>From: sandyp@idcube.idsoftware.com (Sandy Petersen)
>Dave Dunham:
>Once more tries to defend the Aztecs. 

Actually, I believe the protein theory is now discredited as the cause of
Aztec cannibalism. And clearly, things were getting out of hand towards the
end. (Apparently for internal reasons, unlike the Northwest Indian
potlatch, which went weird after the population crash caused by European
diseases.)

>How about if Kill Horse cannot be resisted, but  
>is a 2-point one-use spell?

Instead of my reusable 3-point spell? Yes, that probably is better.

>The basic Lunar problem would seem to be the fact  
>that properly-trained infantry can generally defeat any cavalry force  
>except for horse archers

This seems to be the basic problem, period. In my campaign, the horse
archer PCs can generally defeat anything on foot they encounter.

Certainly, the Mongols (and the Scythians) were very good in warfare. But
both cultures used melee weapons from horseback as well as archery. I'm
still trying to figure out how to make this work in game terms -- there
simply doesn't seem to be much reason for people with bows to close. Or
were Mongolian and Scythian heavy cavalry simply to deal with other
cavalry?

Are real world arrows less effective than they are in the game? Are shields
or armor more effective against arows?


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From: tsl@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Tim Leask)
Subject: YA - Frighten Horse
Message-ID: <9401102307.28957@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
Date: 11 Jan 94 15:07:54 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 2778

Having just recently seen on the news the effect fire has on horses
I thought maybe the frighten horse spell is actually a special form of 
illusory fire that does no physical damage but is real in all other ways.
The spell would both obscure vision and panic horses. The spell should
be able to be combined from multiple casters to create huge illusions.
What do others think ?
Cheers,
Tim
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From: carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink)
Subject: This bounced, don't know why
Message-ID: <199401102337.AA07089@panix2.panix.com>
Date: 10 Jan 94 13:37:23 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 2779

raphael@research.canon.oz.au (Andrew Raphael) writes:

R>The "ghost disease", kuru, eliminated religious cannibalism in the
 >PNG tribe it affected.  Otherwise, they'd still be eating their dead.
 >Kuru was the human equivalent of BSE, or mad cow disease.  If you want
 >to simulate this in Glorantha, use Brain Fever & Shakes.

  Actually that's reversed -- the end of cannibalism eliminated kuru.
The New Guineans never knew that cannibalism caused kuru until after
cannibalism had stopped.


watson@computing-science.aberdeen.ac.uk (Colin Watson) writes:

R>Here's a rules question which occurred to me in a game last night:
 >What is the result if the various different types of elementals are
 >set against each other in combat?
 >Can they affect each other at all, or are they mutually immune?
 >Do undines douse salamanders; or do salamanders vapourise undines?
 >Can a shade extinguish a salamander?... etc.
 >Can salamanders attack each other effectively?

  This is a good question.  If anyone comes up with a good answer, I'll
try to get it into the new edition.  (Yes, I'm too lazy to come up with
my own.)


sandyp@idcube.idsoftware.com (Sandy the Great and Powerful) writes:

R>Look at the progression in the troll breeding rates. What it boils
 >down to is that once uzuz vanish from  a community, they are gone for
 >good. Ditto for uzko. Ultimately, all troll communities will degrade
 >into pure enlo societies. This is in the long run, of course, and may
 >take much longer than the mere 1000 or so years they've been
 >degenerating so far. But certainly the trolls could use a cure for
 >Nysalor's curse.

  It's worth pointing out that enlo-only communities tend to die out,
because they can't even reliably breed other enlo, and enlo born from
enlo are even more deformed and weak than enlo born to uzko.  As far as
I can tell, the only "stable" trollkin communities exist because dark
trolls live nearby and "leak" enlo.

  I like your defense of Arkat.


  I've come to the conclusion that _King of Sartar_ is largely bogus, or
at least missing lots of info.  For one, where's Angrogeus?  Where's the
Black Horse Troop?  Shouldn't they have critical roles?  For another,
there have been *lots* of hints that Arkat will return, but somehow he's
completely missing from the Hero Wars in KOS.
                                       

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From: WALLMAN@VAX2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (Personal friend of Little Elvis)
Subject: language list
Message-ID: <01H7J20O84PY001PQG@VAX2.Winona.MSUS.EDU>
Date: 10 Jan 94 14:34:41 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 2780

There seemed to be enough interest to post.  Comments at end...


REGION		PRIMARY		OTHER RELATED LANGUAGES

Aggar		Aggar		1/3 P Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Alat		Alatan		1/5 Theyalan, 1/5 Boatspeech, 1/5 Seaspeech
Arolanit	Seshnegi	1/2 Ralian, 1/3 Brithini, 1/5 Western
Arstola		Solanthi	1/3 M Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Ballid		tribal		1/3 R Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Bastis		Nimistor	1/3 M Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Bilini		Bilini		1/3 P Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Bindle		Carmanian	1/2 Loskalmi, 1/5 Western
Balazar		Balazaring	1/10 Pelorian
Basim		Basmoli		
Blackhorse	Grazelander	1/2 Pentan
Blue Moon	Darktongue	
Brolia		Brolian		1/3 P Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Caladraland	Caladrian	1/3 M Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Carmania	Carmanian	1/2 Loskalmi, 1/5 Western
Corolaland	Darktongue
Dara Happa	see Darjin, First Blessed, Karasal, Kostaddi, Silver Shadow
Darjin		Darjin		1/3 P Farmer, 1/5 N Pelorian, 1/5 Dara Happan
Delela		Delelan		1/3 R Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Ditali		Ditali		1/3 M Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Doblian		Doblian		1/3 P Farmer, 1/5 N Pelorian, 1/5 Dara Happan
Dona		Janubian
Dorastor	Dorastor	1/3 P Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Dragori Inkarth	Darktongue	
East Isles	Tanyen		1/5 Imperial, 1/10 Vithelan
East Wilds	tribal		1/3 R Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Eol		Eolian		
Esrolia		Esrolian	1/3 M Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
First Blessed	First Blessed	1/3 P Farmer, 1/5 N Pelorian/Dara Happan
Garsting	Jarstic		1/10 Pelorian
God Forgot	Brithini	1/3 Loskalmi, 1/3 Seshnegi, 1/5 Western
Grazelands	Grazelander	
Guhan		Darktongue
Halikiv		Darktongue	
Heartland	Local P Farmer	1/3 P Farmer, 1/5 N Pelorian, 1/5 Dara Happan
Heortland	Sartarite	1/3 M Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Hoay		Hoay		1/3 P Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Hungry Plateau	Praxian		
Ignorance	Stultan		1/10 Kralori, 1/10 Darktongue
Janube		Janubian	
Jarst		Jarstic		1/10 Pelorian
Jhor		Carmanian	1/2 Loskalmi, 1/5 Western
Jonatela	Syanoran	1/3 F Theyalan
Junora		Junora		1/3 F Theyalan
Karasal		Karasal		1/3 P Farmer, 1/5 N Pelorian, 1/5 Dara Happan
Karstall	Janubian
Keanos		Keanos		1/3 R Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Kethaela	M Theyalan	1/3 M Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Kralorela	Kralori		1/10 Vithelan
Kostaddi	Kostaddi	1/3 P Farmer, 1/5 N Pelorian, 1/5 Dara Happan
Loskalm		Loskalmi	1/2 Carmanian, 1/3 Brithini, 1/5 Western
Lunar Empire	New Pelorian	1/5 P Farmer, 1/5 Dara Happan
Melib		Melibic		1/3 Teshnan, 1/3 Trowjangi	
Naskorion	Naskorion	1/3 R Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Newcoast	Solanthi	1/3 M Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Nimistor	Nimistor	1/3 M Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Oranor		Oranoran	1/3 F Theyalan
Oraya		Oraya		1/3 P Farmer, 1/5 N Pelorian, 1/5 Dara Happan
Orinin		Orinin		1/3 P Farmer, 1/5 N Pelorian, 1/5 Dara Happan
Peloria		New Pelorian	1/5 P Farmer, 1/5 Dara Happan
Pent		Pentan		1/2 Other Pentan
Pralorela	Damali		
Prax		Praxian		
Ralios		Ralian		1/2 Seshnegi, 1/5 Western
Ramalia		Ramalian	1/3 M Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Rathorela	Rathori		
Rightarm Isles	Caladralan	1/3 M Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Safelster	Ralian		1/2 Seshnegi, 1/5 Western
Sartar		Sartarite	1/3 M Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Saug		Saug		1/3 R Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Seshnela	Seshnegi	1/2 Ralian, 1/3 Brithini, 1/5 Western
Shadow Plateau	Darktongue	
Shan Shan	Kralori		1/10 Vithelan
Silver Shadow	Silver Shadow	1/3 P Farmer, 1/5 N Pelorian, 1/5 Dara Happan
Skanthi		Skanthi		1/3 P Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Solanthi	Solanthi	1/3 M Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Spol		Carmanian	1/2 Loskalmi, 1/5 Western
Sun Dome	Sartarite	1/3 M Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Sylila		Sylila		1/3 P Farmer, 1/5 N Pelorian, 1/5 Dara Happan
Talastar	Talastar	1/3 P Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Tarsh		Tarshite	1/3 P Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Tastolar	Uncoling	
Teshnos		Teshnan		1/3 Melibic, 1/3 Trowjangi	
Timms		Syanoran	1/3 F Theyalan
Trowjang	Trowjangi	1/3 Teshnan, 1/3 Melibic
Upriver		Rathori
Vadeli		Vadeli		1/5 Western
Vanch		Balazaring	1/10 Pelorian
Vesmonstran	tribal		1/3 R Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Vormain		Imperial	1/5 Tanyen, 1/10 Vithelan
War		Western		F Theyalan
Wenelia		Regional	1/3 M Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Wintertop	Tarshite	1/3 M Theyalan, 1/10 Theyalan
Winterwood	Uncoling
Worian		Carmanian	1/2 Loskalmi, 1/5 Western
Ygg's Isles	Yggian


ABBREVIATIONS

Theyalan = language in a Theyalan group (Fronelan, Manirian, Pelorian, Ralian)

F Theyalan = FRONELAN THEYALAN LANGUAGES (Junoran, Oranoran, Syanoran)

M Theyalan = MANIRIAN THEYALAN LANGUAGES (Caladrian, Ditali, Esrolian,
Nimistor, Ramalian, Sartarite, Solanthi)

N Pelorian = New Pelorian

Pelorian = PELORIAN LANGUAGES (Balazaring, Dara Happan, Jarstic, New
Pelorian)

P Farmer = PELORIAN FARMER LANGUAGES (Darjin, Doblian, First Blessed,
Karasal, Oraya, Orinin, Kostaddi, Sylila)

P Theyalan = PELORIAN THEYALAN LANGUAGES (Aggar, Bilini, Brolia,
Skanthi, Vanch)

R Theyalan = RALIAN THEYALAN LANGUAGES (Delelan, Keanos, Lankst,
Naskorion, Otkorion, Saug, Surkorion, Telmori)

Vithelan = VITHELAN LANGUAGES (Imperial, Kralori, Stultan, Tanyen)

Western = WESTERN LANGUAGES (Brithini, Carmanian, Loskalmi, Ralian,
Seshnegi, Vadeli)



I made this table a couple years ago, attempting to compile all
official sources that I had, extrapolating where I could, and
fabricating what seemed acceptable.  Now, I cannot recall what is
official, extrapolated, or fabricated.  

Now, I KNOW some of you will be laughing/fuming at my errors and
omissions in this table.  I would appreciated it if you could email
any corrections or additions to me.  I will get a corrected and
improved table to interested people later.