From: RuneQuest-Request@Glorantha.Holland.Sun.COM (RQ Digest Maintainer) To: RuneQuest@Glorantha.Holland.Sun.COM (Daily automated RQ-Digest) Reply-To: RuneQuest@Glorantha.Holland.Sun.COM (RuneQuest Daily) Subject: RuneQuest Daily, Mon, 31 Jan 1994, part 4 Content-Return: Prohibited Precedence: junk --------------------- From: paul@phyast.pitt.edu (Paul Reilly) Subject: Various Message-ID: <9401302126.AA00250@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu> Date: 30 Jan 94 21:26:58 GMT X-RQ-ID: 2948 Subject: Descent of Praxian Man (This got bounced due to a typo, but here it is again - Paul) Sandy writes: >The Praxians don't descend from Eiritha. Their beasts do. Uhh... I thought all Khans had to have at least a trace of blood from Waha, and thought Waha was the son of Eiritha and Storm Bull. Please give the correct geneaolgy for Waha. Thanks, Paul Reilly ------------------- Paul Reilly, replying to Alex Ferguson. >Yanafal Tarnils: what _is_ the structure of this cult? I've seen more >cult rank titles than you could shake a fist at: Rune Lord, Iron Lord, We've always called them Scimitars - this seems so obvious that I will only comment if asked. Replying to Boris: > discussion, there have been several references to "Hrelar Amali". Could Hrelar Amali is referred to in the Genertela Book of the Glorantha Box, either in the Seshnela or Ralios section, under 'Places of Interest'. It is a holy site of Earth cults, I believe, and a ruined city. I think that the ruins glow at night (I think this is official.) ------------- Replying to Malcolm: > Does anyone else think that Shargash is Umath and/or Orlanth? After Interesting question. I think that they are originally separate, then many of their stories got conflated. Umath and Orlanth both appear under cognates of their Orlanthi names elsewhere in GRoY. ----------------- Replying to johnjmedway: The Lunar Magic requirement is that you must be an Initiate of the Red Goddess. The cult requires that the Initiate be Illuminated, be approved by the Examiners, and be either a Rune Level of a Lunar Cult, or be a Master of either two or three (I forget) Ritual Magic skills. These stringent requirements protect the Goddess from being adversely affected by inferior worshippers. Look what happened to Zorak Zoran --- he used to be smart. ----------- Replying to Brian J. Maloney: Good comments on Humakt. In our campaign Humakt varies all the way from the Honorable Warrior of Sartar, to the Inexorable Death of the North, to the sore-covered Son of Mallia in Karn Ramal. (That last is where Chalana Arroy is also the sister of Ikadz...) Look at Earth history for weird variations of gods in various regions and times. Compare the Creator of Bogomilism to that of Catholicism, for example - both under the Christian umbrella, which must be VERY wide. Support locally variant deities! On the other hand, I do like to think that deities have some underlying reality - they can be influenced by their worshippers, but in some sense we are seeing different aspects of the SAME beings. If the Gods are 'just stories' I would rather play on Earth. ----------------- I always assumed Pure Horse tribesmen hunted game and gathered plants as well. The Great Hunts of the Mongols are sucha part of their culture that I didn't want to deny the Pentans the same excitement... > 1) Can illumination be reversed? Un I don't think so - not without wiping out the memories of the person, at least. I think Illuminates have access to fundamental insights, the question is whether they can handle this. >2) Do people know that they have been asked a riddle right away or do they Certainly not, in the story in Cults of Terror - Oddi the Keen, a Storm Khan, doesn't realize what has happened to him until much later. I don't know about the current material though. You are right, it is more logical if people DON't necessarily know, given stuff we've been told about Riddlers secretly 'corrupting' people. However, that could all be Orlanthi/Wakbothi propaganda. >3... I don't think most Illuminates want to 'infect' others. > This seems to suggest that Illumination has an origin more basic than that of Arkat and Nysalor Definitely. Yelm is Illuminated before Nysalor (I think) and Rashoran Illuminated Uleria, Humakt and Yelmalio in GodTime. Of course, Yelmalio didn't even exist in GodTime, nowadays - I'm so confused. --------- Reply to Joerg: >Zzabur >is on record as saying that all non-Brithini humans are descended from >animals What is the source on this? I submitted this to TotRM and was told that this was not the case, according to Greg. Then they published it anyway in Notes from Nochet... Also, the original (Earth) source, me, quoted a source that said that MOST humans were animal descended. The Tribes of Law and Chaos were 'real' humans and included the ancestors of the Brithini and the Vadeli (Law) as well as Ogres (Chaos), among others. Theyalans are descended from cattle and sheep Hsunchen in this scheme... Great post, Joerg. --------- On 'Celtic' Orlanthi: I tend to think of them as a bit more like the Heroic Hellenes than Celts. They have their own cities (Boldhome, etc.) and certain other features as well. I will go into this another time. ------- Running out of time - all for now Paul reilly --------------------- From: eco0kkn@cabell.vcu.edu (Kirsten K. Niemann) Subject: Bison founder vs Sun Dome Message-ID: <9401310404.AA16063@cabell.vcu.edu> Date: 31 Jan 94 04:04:34 GMT X-RQ-ID: 2949 Robert McArthur (Mcarthur@fit.qut.edu.au) wrote of the comparaison between the protective spirits of the Sun Dome compared to the Bison Founder. I do not believe that in this case you can get any really meaningful comparison out of the the cross-system matchup. Since I wrote the section on the Sun Dome's defenses, I thought I would explain why. First off, NOmad Gods is a bazillion years old, and not a reasonable source for mechanical data on Glorantha as it has now evolved. Second, as the writer of that section of Sun County, I certainly did not look to Nomad Gods for a sense of stat balance. (see the above reason) Instead, I used the combination of RQ stats and historical notes to try to (in part) explain how & why the Sun Dome temple survived for so many years with so little help from the outside world, and so many nomad enemies. It was also important to provide refs with an example of just why PC should not consider knocking off any temple bigger than a shrine. When I think of how the Spirits of the Directions of the Sun Dome defeated the Bison Founder, I do not think of a single spirit combat between the largest spirit and the Founder. The spirits of the Temple are much better organized than the shamans of the Bison people. They all worked together to defeat them. One of the spirits probably possessed some important Khan in the chief's retinue, and forced him to stab the chief in the back. Another probably obably attacked the support shamans, etc. Also, I did not mention how many of the bison tribes had gotten together to summon the founder. It might have been a single tribe, now couldn't it. THe Sun Domers were unified in the defense o ftheir temple, however. The question to draw from that section of Sun County was: Is this really a reasonable way to protect a temple, and can I use it as a model for designing temples in other places? As the writer, my immodest opinion is that, yes, it is reasonable to think that the Sun Dome or a comparable temple would have been defended this way. In fact, the one place Ken edited my work was where I had listed the EXACT amount of POW available to the GM for assignment to "other" enchantments for the temple's defense. He loves generalization and vaguesness, and changed the defined number to some line like " a number of" . I was trying to show what a temple would accrue over a year, taking into account failed enchantments, theft, purges, vandalism and so on. Then I multiplied by the number of years the temple had been around. It came up with a big number. Don't mess with established, old temples! M >|< --------------------- From: RuneQuest@glorantha.holland.sun.com (Daily automated RQ-Digest) Subject: This account has expired. Message-ID: <199401310625.BAA13918@cis.ufl.edu> Date: 30 Jan 94 20:25:47 GMT X-RQ-ID: 2950 You have sent mail to: RuneQuest@Glorantha.Holland.Sun.COM (Daily automated RQ-Digest) with the following as the subject line: Subject: RuneQuest Daily, Mon, 24 Jan 1994, part 1 The To: line of your message does not match the userid of the account receiving this message. 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