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This is the RuneQuest Daily Bulletin, a mailing list on
the subjects of Avalon Hill's RPG and Greg Stafford's 
world of Glorantha.  It is sent out once per day in digest
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From: JARDINE@RMCS.CRANFIELD.AC.UK
Subject: Von Brookian Theories
Message-ID: <9403161008.AA29965@Sun.COM>
Date: 16 Mar 94 09:01:00 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 3327


Nick
	You missed out the obvious extension to the Dara Happan super race.  
The Lunars rediscovered some of the old high tech equipment which was 
used to *float* the first yelmic city and used it to raise the Red Moon.  
The funny way in which the moon appears when approached is probably a 
product of these (now old and poorly maintained) anti gravity generators.  

	No wonder that some Lunars refer to Illumination as Enlightenment!  

	Lewis

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From: bchugg@leland.stanford.edu (Barron Chugg)
Subject: Timelines and Magazines
Message-ID: <199403161842.KAA00644@popserver.Stanford.EDU>
Date: 16 Mar 94 02:42:12 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 3328

  I've just gotten back in to RQ (OK, Glorantha) after a long (OK, since
RQIII) hiatus and have been slowly rebuilding my Glorantha knowledge base. 
Sure is a heck of a lot more information in the public eye than in '83! 
Anyway, I was just thinking about timelines, more exactly future timelines.
 After reading KoS (which got me back into Gloranthan mythology), and now
the Genertela pack, I was thinking about gathering all my material and
putting together a time line for the DP/Prax area from 1600-whenever.  Then
it hit me, blammo, this may not be the Ultimate Original Idea (tm)!  So,
has anyone put together such a thing?  I'll probably do it anyway just so I
learn it at a deeper level.

  I've also seen mention of various magazines that are reprinting useful
information.  TotRM I have found, but no others.

  Thanks much.

Barron Chugg
bchugg@leland.stanford.edu



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From: robmh@aol.com
Subject: Rune Formations in Glorantha
Message-ID: <9403161356.tn66043@aol.com>
Date: 16 Mar 94 18:56:29 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 3329

Hi Eric Rowe!
Well well, the Urvairinus the Conqueror section of KOS could reflect my
singular contribution to Gloranthan lore:  a few years ago I wrote Stafford
about using Rune formations in combat and then published the piece in A&E. 
Greg was happy with the idea, it seemed obvious but he hadn't found the idea
before.  I never did anything more with the idea (except for a short dialogue
between Yelmalio and Humakt that I may be able to dig up from ye olde disks)
so it's nice to see that the idea has moved into print -- or been created
anew, whichever.

I stumbled upon the idea while reading military history books and wondering
how Gloranthan sages would map out military engagements.  With Rune-shaped
units, of course.  I'm tired of the Lhankor Mhy view of things as the
perspective for introducing new ideas, so I nattered at other methods of
writing military history, came up with the divine dialogue between Yelmalio
and Humakt, and left it at that.;

I'll go ahead and free associate on the idea for awhile.

For fun, consider the possible uses of the Illusion rune.  Three rapidly
shifting small formations of troops, maneuvering quickly they might capture
the essence of the Puppeteer Troupe's juggling act; perhaps a very small
force could seem to be a very large army?  

The bifurcated Lunar circle seems as natural as the Sky circle.  Orlanth's
spiral Air rune is less obvious, perhaps it's only fair that it could quickly
degenerate into a pointillist non-rune.  Maybe the best plan for Orlanthi
commanders whose troops are actually disciplined enough to fight in Rune
formations would be to move from the Air rune (while gathering Power) to the
Movement rune (on the attack).  

I admit that my favorite anachronistic combination of battlefield runes is
"Fire & Movement."  I see a small Movement rune at the center of the Sun
rune's circle.  I think it could be an effective arrangement; I leave it to
those who've gloriously reascended with Yelm to supply the name of the Solar
Powers whom the formation would suit best.  

In practice, it might be fair to limit the truly advantageous uses of Rune
formations in combat to highly disciplined troops:  Ethilrist's Black Horse,
Sun Dome Templars, Lunar elites, and others I'd be happy to hear nominated.  

On the other hand, I think Eric Rowe's PCs did a wondeful thing by
improvising with the rune formation in the swirl of battle; I'd encourage
Gloranthans to think that using the Runes in battle is wise, even if it
didn't provide any game-mechanics benefits.  

--Rob Heinsoo

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From: robmh@aol.com
Subject: Agents of Byzantine Complexity
Message-ID: <9403161357.tn66077@aol.com>
Date: 16 Mar 94 18:57:48 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 3330

Hola, Bryan Maloney:  I agree with David Dunham that the bureaucratic screws
you're considering inserting into your Lunar PCs' lives are the type of
anachronism Glorantha can usually do without.  

For a fun work of fiction detailing the experience of an espionage agent
working for an alternate Byzantine empire, try Harry Turtledove's AGENT OF
BYZANTIUM.  Turtledove's hero inadvertently contributes to the development of
the same bureaucratic tangles you're considering unleashing upon your PCs. 
And his experience with rival agents from Briton and Persia might reflect
well into the Red Goddess' borderlands experience.  

Speaking anachronistically, I sometimes find it helpful to think of the Lunar
Empire as analagous to the United States of America:  a relatively excellent
place to live for many of the people who live there, but you don't really
want to be one of the small peoples sitting in darkness on its borders..  

Going further on the Lunar Empire vs. the Peoples Sitting in Darkness tangent
before returning to addressing Bryan directly, one of my earliest
Glorantha-images was a Heart of Darkness adventure filmed like Apocalypse
Now, detailing a young Lunar's mission down to Pavis to retrieve a
Kurtz-style officer who'd gone native in the Big Rubble.  Nothing like the
MOB & Co. adventure that appeared in ToRM recently, but it was fun to see
that the same association had taken root elsewhere.

  
--Rob Heinsoo

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From: robmh@aol.com
Subject: David Dunham's Aphorism:
Message-ID: <9403161358.tn66082@aol.com>
Date: 16 Mar 94 18:58:13 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 3331

"Don't believe all that Dara Happan propaganda. After all, it was written
down, and thus can't change with reality." Wonderful line, David, I'll use it
often.  

For your good turn of phrase I give you one of my own.  

The pen is mightier than the sword:  strategy.
The sword is faster than the pen:  tactics.  

Any nominations for who would say that in Glorantha?  Ethilrist?  

--Rob Heinsoo

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From: robmh@aol.com
Subject: Yelorna and the Eunuch's Horn
Message-ID: <9403161355.tn66025@aol.com>
Date: 16 Mar 94 18:55:38 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 3332

I've caught up with the January and March RQ Dailies, skipping February for
now, so it's Comment Time.  

Yelorna first.  I don't really care to get so deep into the intricacies of
who hasn't done it with whom or a unicorn, but I'm reminded of an image I
never did anything with:  the were-virgin, who becomes a virgin again every
full moon.  I suppose it takes on new meaning in a world with a Red Moon,
though the utility of the concept still escapes me.  

The idea didn't occur to me in game terms, 'were-virgin' accurately described
someone I knew in high school.  Their transformation seemed to endure, newly
virginal every new moon, but I dunno if that's how you'd want to play it in a
gameworld.

--Rob Heinsoo

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From: robmh@aol.com
Subject: Dickison's Happy Greenie People
Message-ID: <9403161357.tn66063@aol.com>
Date: 16 Mar 94 18:57:11 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 3333

Hiya, Mike:

I hugely enjoyed your expandio et absurdem of the notion that Aldryami are
plants.  Visceral work, a fine of Gloranthan phenomena I can imagine being
portrayed without distortion by Monty Python's Flying Circus.  The humor of
the piece is so effective because your basic assumptions are in harmony with
much of Glorantha.  

I fully agree that the 'elves' are no fun compared to the Elder Races and
could use some shaking up.  About four or five years ago I played a similar
'elves are plants' tune in the pages of Alarums and Excursions, but I didn't
liven it up anywhere near as well as you have.

My piece focused on the idea that in the Green Time all the Aldryami could
photosynthesize, but that they'd lost the ability to feed solely on Sun and
Earth and Water while sleeping through the Dark with Ernalda.  Of course some
Protectors had remained awake, and I think I called them evergreens, much
like another recent post I haven't uncovered yet in my reading of the
lists....?  

Ah, now I remember:  I said that modern day elves had to eat plants in order
to get the precious Green in their skins that enables them to
photosynthesize.  They feel a bit guilty about having to eat their fellow
plants, and many Heroquesters try to return to the Green Time and bring back
the power of unaided photosynthesis.  When an Aldryami stays Green without
having to sing Food Song and eat plants they've circled far back on their
personal cycle towards Aldrya.  Not a bad idea, but not an idea that did much
to make Aldryami more intersting.  

Back to your work:  most of the jokes were hilarious and acceptably timed,
but I agree with the commentator who thought that Ignite shouldn't be so
dangerous to an active (moist) elf.  

Hope you continue your heretical ways!

--Rob Heinsoo


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From: codexzine@aol.com
Subject: Trying to reach BEATRICE KAMBER
Message-ID: <9403162131.tn78973@aol.com>
Date: 17 Mar 94 02:31:49 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 3334

Hello all. 
Sorry to bother the digest readers with this.
I seem to be unable to get email to Beatrice Kamber in Switzerland. 
She has sent me email several times, but my replies must be getting eaten by
Arachne Solara, because I don't even get back mailer daemon messages.
I think she is on some sort of system that does not use standard ASCII, since
I notice odd blanks and such in her messages and .sig line.

If anyone in Europe is willing to try, please let her know I have attempted
to reply. Jeorg? How about you?

I have also never hearg back from anyone in Sweden who asked for information,
for example, a fellow whose email started off as "jonask". There are others
as well.

If you have sent off for codex info and not received it from me, then please
try again, with as many variant addresses as you can think of.

A note to the nationalistically-inspired American RQers: the British response
to the impending UK release of Codex has put the american response TO SHAME.
(Like by a factor of 6) Good Rune Lords & Ladies on the left of the
Atlantic--please subscribe before I start to reconsider if I should even
bother to print an american run. (It really is that bad.)

Sorry for the interruption.

Mike

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From: eco0kkn@cabell.vcu.edu (Kirsten K. Niemann)
Subject: Missing addresses
Message-ID: <9403170248.AA24111@cabell.vcu.edu>
Date: 17 Mar 94 02:48:16 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 3335

Duh. I expected the AOL mailer would list all the addressees. It did
not. The address for Beatrice Kamber that I have is:
Beatrice.Kamber@bcu.unil.ch
   bkamber@ulys.unil.ch
Thanks in advance.
Mike

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From: rowe@soda.berkeley.edu (Eric Rowe)
Subject: Raiding Zebras
Message-ID: <199403170721.XAA02451@soda.berkeley.edu>
Date: 16 Mar 94 15:21:33 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 3336


It seems certain unruly Waha followers in my current campaign have taken
a liking to Zebra-hide for their first real tent.  Unfortunately, baring
carelessness on the part of a Zebra patrol these beasts are a notoriously
difficult raid.  Does anyone have any suggestions for dragging a few
Zebras out of Zebraside or Zebra Fort without being hunted down and killed
like dogs?  Their current plans incude such brilliant tactics as stuffing
a broo in a barrel to be sent to Zebra Fort to lay waste to the Zebras.
Please help them.

eric

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