Bell Digest v940420p4

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Subject: RuneQuest Daily, Wed, 20 Apr 1994, part 4
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From: alex@dcs.gla.ac.uk (alex)
Subject: Trickster Chortling.
Message-ID: <9404191645.AA04332@hawaii.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
Date: 19 Apr 94 16:45:17 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 3716

Jonas Schiott:
> [Me:]
> >[The Sandy one:]
> >> Bolongo: the local trickster sect. He only provides a very few  
> >> spells, and his worshipers are pitied, but not necessarily tolerated.

> >Does this follow the same pattern as `generic' (GoG) pattern of Trickster
> >worship?

> I'm not sure, off the top of my head, what source Alex is quoting from

Neither am I.  What quotation are you referring to?

> GoG states unequivocally that any Trickster worshipper can get spells from
> any shrine. This is the pragmatic side of things, and to me, it looks like
> strong evidence that Trickster is One.

The God Learners clearly thought so.  IÕm studiedly agnostic on whether
these correspondances are True or not, though I probably would play it
as written in the massively unlikely case that it ever actually came up.

> But a Bolongo worshipper visiting a Eurmal shrine
> can still learn the spell. I don't know what justification they have for
> this - perhaps worshippers of the Trickster have fewer illusions about His
> (Its?) limitations than the 'squares' do.

Perhaps they can do it As Long As It's Funny.

> It will certainly never be a
> problem for a Eurmalite; the Eurmal myths seem to encompass just about
> every aspect (except maybe Murderer)

I'm not sure that's true on the basis of published _myths_.  (Truant?
Dismembered?  Shapechanger?  Destroyer?)  They're not inherently
implausible, though.  Actually, Murderer would fit perfectly well with
Eurmal's relationship with Death.

> Of course, there is one practical effect of the aspect thing: it would seem
> to affect the geographic distribution of shrines, i.e. in an
> orlanthi-dominated region there would probably not be any shrines dedicated
> to non-Eurmal aspects

Well, that is indeed effectively what I was asking.  However, it's not
merely a question of gloranthography: in any given locality, any given
shrine will (almost) certainly be thought of as being dedicated to a
_particular_ Trickster deity, not as being a Generic Trickster Shrine,
whatever the game- (or world-)mechanical aspects say.

> On a lighter note, if Illusion is temporary reality, isn't reality just a
> big illusion with lots of Extension? And wouldn't that make Trickster the
> Creator? Now I know this is not The Truth, because I suggested it to Greg

To reuse a Convulsion heckle, What does Greg know, he only writes the stuff!
Note that this theory was mooted (more or less) in RQ2.  As plausible as the
average creation myth, not necessarily excluding scientific ones.

Joerg:
> The God Learners' associations for Eurmal (Illusion) and Bolongo 
> (Disorder) seem wrong to me, and totally meaningless for Genertela. (I 
> blame this text on one of the Umathelan universities.)

Blame it on the too-well-travelled, Jrusteli-based God Learners.  I donÕt
think any given locality recognises all of the `Greater GodsÕ.

Put that Dismiss Magic MMMMM down,
Alex.

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From: cryptomatt@aol.com
Subject: Riddles
Message-ID: <9404192357.tn65640@aol.com>
Date: 20 Apr 94 03:57:53 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 3717

David Dunham (ddunham@radiomail.net) asks
>I've always wondered why Riddlers are considered bad, when Orlanth rune
>levels have to play a riddle game with Sun worshippers...

IMHO, the Orlanthi/Yelmalio riddle game tends to stick to riddles that are
firmly
based in the local culture. Frex, see the Sun Domer's riddles in the River of
Cradles
book. If I remember them correctly, they talk about agriculture and fishing,
two
things with which most Sun Domers would be familiar.
On the other hand, I think the topics of Gbaji riddles are alien to most non-
Illuminates.
So, Riddling in an of itself isn't bad, but alien riddles might get you into
trouble
with the locals.
-Matt Thale

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From: henkl@aft-ms (Henk Langeveld - Sun Nederland)
Subject: X-RQ-IDs and timezones
Message-ID: <9404200704.AA20690@aft-ms.Holland.Sun.COM>
Date: 20 Apr 94 11:06:06 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 3718

David Gadbois:
> Subject: X-RQ-IDs and timezones
> To: Henk Langeveld 
> 
> It looks like the article bin packer is getting confused by the recent
> flood of mailings.  The last X-RQ-ID for the Daily of 18 April was 3683.
> In the 19 April Daily, I got four parts, numbered 5, 6, 1, and 2 (in
> date order).  
> 

I limit each issue to four parts.  The above is the result of some 
leftovers of the previous day.

    ...
> None of this is too critical, but it is nice to be able to depend on the
> parts and X-RQ-IDs being ordered logically so I can see if I missed
> anything.

Some time ago I changed to a scheme where all longer messages would 
be processed first.  On second thought, it should be the other way around...

> 
> While I am bugging you, I note that the Dailies are still coming out
> with timezone specifiers of "--100" in the Date: and one of the
> Received: headers.

A bug in solaris 2.3 sendmail.  Still have not seen a fix for this.


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