From: RuneQuest-Request@Glorantha.Holland.Sun.COM (RQ Digest Maintainer) To: RuneQuest@Glorantha.Holland.Sun.COM (Daily automated RQ-Digest) Reply-To: RuneQuest@Glorantha.Holland.Sun.COM (RuneQuest Daily) Subject: RuneQuest Daily, Thu, 28 Apr 1994, part 1 Sender: Henk.Langeveld@Holland.Sun.COM Content-Return: Prohibited Precedence: junk X-RQ-ID: Intro This is the RuneQuest Daily Bulletin, a mailing list on the subjects of Avalon Hill's RPG and Greg Stafford's world of Glorantha. It is sent out once per day in digest format. More details on the RuneQuest Daily and Digest can be found after the last message in this digest. --------------------- From: SYS_RSH%PV0A@hobbes.cca.rockwell.com (Scott Haney, AFDS770 Functional Test X2069) Subject: Gods, Goddesses, and Professional Wrestling with Myths Message-ID: <01HBNUYQAVYO9I603M@hobbes.cca.rockwell.com> Date: 27 Apr 94 06:00:00 GMT X-RQ-ID: 3824 >> by our myths, humans weren't present at the creation of the world >Nor were Gloranthan humans. Yes and no. I was speaking of the Compromise, or the creation of the world "as we know it." (Or at least play it.) I never meant to imply that people were present from day one. Sorry if it came out that way. >The whole origin of "mono-myths" is earthly. Now, they may not be >as neat as the Gloranthan one, especially in the Bad Old >God-Learning RQ2 days, but still... mmmmm...okay, I can go with that. >Then what is? What should we compare them to, Venusian religions? Sounds good to me! :) Actually, I never said we couldn't *compare* them, only that the comparison doesn't always produce a good match. To say "X cannot/should not happen in Glorantha because X doesn't happen on Earth" is silly and makes for a boring Glorantha. Comparisons are great, but sometimes the differences are more important than the 'samenesses.' >> Hindu myths don't include the Christian god >That would be somewhat anachronistic. Yes, although some Hindu friends of mine (my "peria-parents") have stated that one could make a case of the Christian god being an incarnation of a Hindu god.... :) Scott --------------------- From: carlsonp@wdni.com (Carlson, Pam) Subject: headers Message-ID: <2DBEA6F8@itlab.wtc.weyer.com> Date: 27 Apr 94 17:52:00 GMT X-RQ-ID: 3826 Carlson, Pam: > To: "news%glorantha.holland.sun.com"> Subject: woman warriors Was this address in the message headers? Yes. For roughly the past two weeks, your incoming messages have been labelled: news%aft-ms.holland.sun.com We have wierd server connections that I don't entirely understand. Often our main server adds lots of internal codes to an incoming address, and it likes to switch "@" to "%". When I reply to a Daily, I just hit "REPLY" (in Microsoft Mail), which sends the message to the same address that sent it. Should I do something else? I could COMPOSE a new message, using the Glorantha@Holland.Sun.Com address. Pam Still in The Slow Lane of the Information Highway. --------------------- From: sschne00@reach.com (Scott Schneider -- HRA - Chicago) Subject: RuneQuest Daily, Wed Message-ID: <9404271340.AA16665@cl1..reach> Date: 27 Apr 94 13:40:16 GMT X-RQ-ID: 3827 subject: --------------------- Forwarded Message ---------------------- subject: Those Pesky berserks, redux Joerg Baumgartner in X-RQ-ID: 3804 More Damnable Lies!! The true story of Little Brother, the Stick and the Lariat is told in the secret story of "Why Little Brother Don't Come to My Home No More", known by all who have fought with Him in the Eternal Battle. As is known to all us kumiss drinkers, it explains the deceitful and compl- complicat- uh, difficult tricks used by Little Brother in order to get Big Brother Bull Storm to save his ass, after losing Fralar's son Yinkin. It also explains the origin of Storm Bull's Secret Bad Wind power, the creation of the Secret Spray Oasis, and the great anti-Chaos Finger Magic. These powers are revealed to all good Storm Berserkers during their initiations, and may actually be acquired through questing. This myth will appear in the Beastriders of the Wastelands package, should it ever see print (or in TOTRM). BTW, the unpublished Wastelands maps are awesome. Actually, Beastriders of the Wastelands builds its mythology on fragments of Golden Age tales, moves through the deeds and epics of Storm Bull, and concludes with the full development of the Waha and Eiritha lifestyles. (I'm also following up with a mini-package on a Paps campaign, which will have more Golden Age lore, and take a distinctly female-oriented approach to a campaign package ((A Year in the Paps)) ). *======== Regarding ========* Date: Wed, 27 Apr 94 07:00:27 EDT X-RQ-ID: Intro This is the RuneQuest Daily Bulletin, a mailing list on the subjects of Avalon Hill's RPG and Greg Stafford's world of Glorantha. It is sent out once per day in digest format. --------------------- From: timbee@timbee.rnd.symix.com (Dogs Playing Poker) Subject: A Source is a source (of course of course) Message-ID: <9404271524.AA21950@timbee.rnd.symix.com.symix> Date: 27 Apr 94 15:24:54 GMT X-RQ-ID: 3828 Disparity between published material and questions: There seems to have been several threads in the last couple months regarding "it says according to group X {group X fact} but this is contradicted by other material that says group Y {group Y fact}. If you think about it this makes perfect sense. If a heroquest occurs in which a Stormbull defeats a Red Goddess initiate using a spell traded from a Humakti (Never saw the Sever Spirit Coming). You will likely hear the following descriptions: Stormbull: Hrelga the Hulking struck down Jasmel Bribetaker dominating the worthless lunar in fighting prowess and magic Red Goddess: Jasmel Moonglow was overwhelmed by the combined might of two cults after a glorious and prolonged struggle Humakt: When the Stormbulls became serious about defeating their enemy they came to those who truly know how to fight, and showing this unusual wisdom Hrelga the Hulking defeated Jasmel Bribetaker Dormal: A struggle between lunars and locals occurred while Sandar of the Red Sails discovered 3 new and exciting islands with exotic goods to trade while avoiding the Black Squid of the Swift Tide and stranded John Barleycorn on the Island of the Unending Itch. Winston Churchill once said something like "History will be kind to me for I intend to write it". The truth in Glorantha is different to each group even within the same locale. The only source of truth is the GM (and he/she isn't always telling). Adding to Encounter Tables: This is a subject I covered in the Chaosium Digest a while back but I thought it applies here too. When I GM I like to use encounter tables. I added to the encounter tables rumors. I use them to clue in players to what's going on but also to add color into the game. For example, Dermar Darkwater is out bar crawling in Pavis, when he enters the Kicking Llama bar . One of a group of a band of nomads sitting together says "I don't know why the Troll with the Aluminum shield has been buying plants from the Lunars but the matrix on his mace definitely is ..." and shuts up on seeing Dermar. This could be a complete fabrication but can Dermar afford to guess. Who would be interested in knowing this and what can they tell Dermar? Definitely a useful GM tool if handled properly. In my campaigns the best merchants traded in valuable information. Tim Beecher (my opinions <> my firms opinions) "Robbing the Cradle is worse than Robbing the Tomb - Jim Croce, Car Wash Blues" --------------------- From: rowe@soda.berkeley.edu (Eric Rowe) Subject: Town/City Design Message-ID: <199404280335.UAA23505@soda.berkeley.edu> Date: 27 Apr 94 13:35:12 GMT X-RQ-ID: 3829 Just came across a reference that I think should have some relevance to Glorantha. It seems in ancient china some towns were layed out in shapes that resembled animals or symbolic patterns when viewed from above. Tsuen-Chen Fu was built in the shape of a carp, Wung-Chun was laid out in the form of a fish net. Others towns resembled snakes, stars, sunbursts and dragons. It seems some Gloranthan town/cities would follow this same idea. This is probably especially true with Holy cities/towns and runic designs. My question is where on Glorantha are these likely to be most prevalent? The pantheon rich central Genertela? Or does the runic designs give power to strange rituals of sorcerers in the far west and east? eric "Send in your ideas for RQ Con 2" --------------------- From: thecam@aol.com Subject: Arachne Solara Worship Message-ID: <9404280043.tn77193@aol.com> Date: 28 Apr 94 04:43:58 GMT X-RQ-ID: 3830 Greg Fried sez, > Another issue: the "unreachable" Arachne Solara -- > Someone brought this up. At the RQCon I asked GS one of my several > questions for a buck: Can A S receive cultic worship? No was the > answer. > But what about this: on page 78 of the "Elder Races Book" of _Elder > Secrets_ it says: > "All beast men worship Arachne Solara, creator of the universe." > And on p. 80, on centaurs (and what a lovely illo on that page, too!): > "Nature religion dominates, with worship of Arachne Solara as Goddess > of Nature practised in winter....." > Too bad Sandy has signed off, cause he and GS were the authors of this > book, and they were both there for the $-a-question session. I find > these passages pretty weird, especially considering that the beastmen > are about the most unnatural critters around, being the results of EWF > experiments! (Talk about experimentation without respect!) But it > says the beasties worship A S as a nature goddess. What > do they get in return for their cult practice? Or is this religion > simply mystical meditation, with no manifest 'usefulness' to them > powergaming beastfolk? From what I've been led to understand, your last question is correct. The beastmen worship, sacrifice MP and POW, etc. but get no real return. A S is just too powerful to recognize worship from us puny mortals. Dave Camoirano TheCam@aol.com --------------------- From: mcarthur@fit.qut.edu.au (Robert McArthur) Subject: GRoY - phone # of Wizard's Attic please Message-ID: <199404280611.QAA14831@ocean.fit.qut.edu.au> Date: 29 Apr 94 02:11:34 GMT X-RQ-ID: 3831 From what I have been told, Wizard's Attic (PO Box 718, Hayward CA 94543) is one of the few stores selling GRoY. Can anyone tell me their phone number, or the address and phone of any other store selling it... and of course it would be nice to know before posting whether they still have any copies. Thanks Robert McArthur --------------------- From: lindsell@rschp1.anu.edu.au (Graeme Lindsell) Subject: EPIC, Christianity, the Invisible God... Message-ID: <9404280658.AA05562@Sun.COM> Date: 28 Apr 94 21:57:10 GMT X-RQ-ID: 3832 Mike Dawson or David Chang (I was confused by the >'s) >This is NOT associated in any way with Greg Maples EPIC system, Is there any news about when EPIC is going to be published? Greg Stafford was talking about it when he was in Australia, which was October '92. PS To Mike: Got Codex #1 today, looks very impressive! Martin ? (argrath@aol.com) writes: >Yes, but there has been separation between the ecclesiastical >powers and the temporal powers, as a result of the way >Christianity BECAME a state religion. In Islam, there was never >this separation. I understood that the Eastern Orthodox Christianity was far less separated from the state than the Catholic Church, with the Byzantine emperor being it's effective head. Have I got this wrong? Devin Cutler writes: >Female Size should be 2D6+3 (or 4) period. >Female Strength should be 2D6+1 or so. Aren't they both 2d6+2 for female NPC's, and female PC's who'd prefer the smaller SIZ? That's what the stats given for Humans in the Creature's Book says, from memory. Personally, I'd be inclined to give them higher CON, say 2d6+6, though this has problems with RQ3 encumberance IMO. Re: The Invisible God. A few weeks ago, there was a discussion about whether the Invisible God really existed or not, with some posters pointing out how little he (or she it) gives to its worshippers. One point I would make in reply is that the major sorcerous cultures we've had described (the Malkioni and the Mostali) both believe in a single unifying concept behind Gloranthan reality (the IG and the World Machine respectively). I'm not sure that this proves anything but it would seem a unified world view is helpful for sorcerers (as it is for scientists). As for whether the IG gives anything else, its lack of response could demonstrate it's extreme power, given the Gloranthan inverse relationship between power and free will. Arachne Solara does not give anything to her worshippers: do you doubt she exists. (Aside: I've often wondered whether the Invisible God and Arachne Solara are one and the same) -- Graeme Lindsell a.k.a lindsell@rschp1.anu.edu.au "I was 17 miles from Greybridge before I was caught by the School Leopard" Ripping Yarns - Tomkinson's Schooldays. ---------------------