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Subject: RuneQuest Daily, Sat, 11 Jun 1994, part 3
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From: Ana@fenix.fipnet.fi (Antti_Heiskanen)
Subject: Pictures
Message-ID: <9406102126.16ud@fenix.fipnet.fi>
Date: 11 Jun 94 09:26:18 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 4498
Hello Everybody,
I have finally succesfully uploaded my Glorantha pictures to Berkeley's
FTP site. (Shannon thanks for the help) They should be
at soda.berkeley.edu in pub/runequest/pics.
Most of them are sceneries from different places in Glorantha.
They are in JPEG format and are 800x600. The pics are as follows:
- Sludgestream R. in Ash Flat in Dorastor at sunset
- Condor Crags in Vulture Country
- A view from the giant spearthrowerin Harpoon down the river.
- Three (3) different pics about Indigo Mtns. in Dagori Inkarth
- Copper Sands in the Wastes
- Kartolin Pass between Dorastor and Karia
- A vulcano erupting in Caladraland
- "Rune Carvings" from the "A Tale To Tell-scenario in SotB
I hope you like them. Comments & stuff are welcome.
-antti
p.s. Henk, how many subscribers Daily/Digest has?
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From: PMichaels@aol.com
Subject: Genert, Death, & Ducks
Message-ID: <9406102343.tn1067761@aol.com>
Date: 11 Jun 94 03:43:53 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 4499
On Gargoyles & Genert:
I'm glad the connection rings true, whatever it is. Sandy
opines that the Copper Sands are the remains of the ordinary
common folk, and not some elite warrior force. I guess that
my inclination is to stay away from the "flesh to copper"
transformation that this would required. (Why I'm so inclined,
I'm not sure. Personal preference, I guess, given that this happened during
Godtime when just about ANYTHING could
happen.) I also see this sacrifice of the only intelligent
gargoyles (probably Genert's sons) to save the common folk to
be at least as tragic as the official story.
On Humakt:
Devin said something about Humakt prescribing a single mode
of worship throughout Glorantha. Sandy concurred, saying that
there might be some evolution and variations.
At the RQ-Con I Heroquest conference, Greg talked some about
Humakt. He said that to be a good Humakti you've got to kill
things and you've got to be willing to die. He said that order
and justice are "not such a big thing for Humakt," and that
love and desire are things Humakt has no concern for. He also
clearly said that Humakt does not care about how his
worshippers act as far as their personal goals go.
What all this says to me is that the Humakti cult emphasis on
honour described in the CoP and TOTRM#5 cult write-ups are
social and cultural, imposed not by Humakt but by the cult
heirarchy. What Humakt holds sacred is "the quick death,"
meaning by the sword, and not by old age or disease. The only
actions clearly required by Humakt for his followers are to
kill and be killed. For worshippers of this dangerous god to
exist within a society, most Humakt cult organizations have
self-imposed restrictions on the way that their warriors kill.
Humakt doesn't care about these restrictions, so long as the
killing continues.
On Ducks:
Given the duck connection with Death, here may be another
reason that ducks don't need to wear pants:
ANCIENT DRUULZ MYTH (hopefully to be printed in Codex #3)
- How Hueymakt Discovered Death - *
This is a story of ancient time, long before the sun stopped in
the sky and cursed us all. Long before the sun was freed by
Dewey Windrake from Hell. Long before the Darktime, to the
time before Freedom was lost. To the start of the Godswar.
This story starts with Weasel Windsfool, the Trickster.
Once, as he walked upon the earth, he came upon the Black
Pool. In this pool he saw three beautiful Black Swan maidens
swimming. Weasel's penis grew stiff on seeing the eldest
maiden, and said "This is a woman for me! Take me to her!"
Weasel looked at the eldest maiden and saw she was very
powerful and wise. He knew she would not willingly lay with
him. He spoke to his penis, saying "If you want her, you must
go to her yourself, in secret, for I cannot be the one to bring
you to her."
With that, Weasel removed his penis and watched as it made
it's way to the pool. Weasel's penis slipped into the water and
swam like a snake to the eldest maiden and began copulating
with her. The younger maidens did not know what was wrong
with their older sister when she began moving around in the
water and making strange sounds. When they saw what was
happening, they grabbed Weasel's penis and tried to pull it out.
When they could not, the eldest sister said "Take me back
home. Our mother will know what to do." And the maidens and
maid all disappeared into the dark depths of the Black Pool.
Now, with the maid's words, Weasel forgot all about his
pleasure and became worried. He did not know who the mother
of the Black Swan maidens was, but he did know he did not
want to live his life without his penis. Weasel dove into the
pool and followed the maidens down into the Dark Waters. In
this way, Weasel came to find his first way into Hell. There
he was met by Styx, the Mother of Black Waters, who had
already removed his penis from her daughter. Styx said to
Weasel, "You have done a bad thing, both in what you did to my
daughter and in coming here. You must now be punished for
this." Styx then called upon her sister Subere, who helped to
twist Weasel's penis into a terrible thing.
After leaving Hell with his broken, twisted penis, Weasel met
up with Grandfather Mortal. Weasel had tricked Grandfather
Mortal in the past, and had used his penis on him before.
Weasel tried to do so again, hoping this would straighted his
penis out and make it work again. Instead, he felt nothing and
Grandfather Mortal cried out in great pain and died. He told
Weasel,"You have killed me. Now I must go to Hell," and left.
Weasel was frightened by this, and began a great wailing.
Hueymakt heard Weasel's crying, and went to him. "Why are
you crying so?" asked Hueymakt. Weasel answered "I have done
something to Grandfather Mortal, who has changed into a new
thing I do not understand." Hueymakt said to Weasel, "Take me
to Hell, so that I can see this new thing for myself." Together
they went to the Black Pool, and together they went to Hell.
This was how Hueymakt first came to Hell.
Once in Hell, it took a long time to find Grandfather Mortal.
When they found him, Hueymakt looked at Grandfather Mortal
and tried all of his magics on him. Hueymakt said to Weasel,
"There is nothing I can do to help Grandfather Mortal. But, I am
interested in what your broken penis did to him, for it is
powerful magic. I will trade my working penis for your broken
penis." Weasel quickly agreed, for his only thought was for the
future pleasures he would lose without a penis. This is how
Hueymakt gave up his own powers of procreation and sexual
pleasure to have the power now called Death.
(Loosely based on the Nez Perce tale "Coyote and the Mallard
Ducks", as told by Barry Lopez in his book _Giving Birth to
Thunder, Sleeping With His Daughter_, Avon, 1977, p.170)
Hope this gave a few laughs.
Peace, Peter
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From: ddunham@radiomail.net (David Dunham)
Subject: Donandar; crops
Message-ID: <199406110600.AA17568@radiomail.net>
Date: 11 Jun 94 06:00:16 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 4500
S.W. Jones said
> On a final note I have a unofficial write-up of the Donander
>cult (it needed one) if anyones interested - or I can pop it on the Digest.
There's an official writeup in White Wolf 18, if you haven't seen it.
Sandy said
> You can't grow orchards in Scotland? Utah, with a semi-desert
>climate, is able to support apricots, apples, peaches, pears,
>cherries, etc. with ease. Perhaps because of this, I always thought
>that orchards were an easier thing to grow than an annual crop such
>as corn.
By corn, you mean maize (this is an international Digest, let's be
precise)? But you said before that Utah irrigates. I think it's hard to
draw conclusions from areas that might not support agriculture at all w/o
irrigation.
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From: alex@dcs.gla.ac.uk
Subject: You're Nicked, my son.
Message-ID: <9406110659.AA25857@keppel.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
Date: 11 Jun 94 06:59:28 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 4501
Nick Brooke:
> Eurmal played a great joke once when he found out how to give water many of
> the properties of fire. Fortunate clans who know the secret can drink it in
> Sartar to this very day, and it's one of the trade items most coveted by
> Praxians. I'm not sure if the god of this distillation process is Tanian...
I keep meaning to write up Sartarite Hard Stuff sometime, and I'm amused by
the suggestion as to the pertinent god. Didn't Tanian have a brother, or
am I thinking of one of Lorian's? Actually, I hear your relatives and
rivals the Orlmarths are one of the main culprits in the making of uisge-va,
Nick, though I promise not to tell the Tax and Excise Office.
Moi:
> > I wonder if anywhere prisoners are tortured to death, resurrected,
> > tortured to death again, etc?
> Danfive Xaron, Irrippi Ontor and Etyries are united in their denials that
> this is any part of the Lunar Way. It is fortunate, O Alexius, that you
> confined yourself to speculation and prudently avoided making unsupported
> allegations. Otherwise you might be invited to find out the Truth for
> yourself...
Alexandros, to give me my full Dara Happanisation. Did I make any indication
that The Empire might countenance the above? I fear you have fallen victim
to some evil counter-propaganda.
> Subject: The Emperor who had No Clothes
Shouldn't that be The Clothes with No Emperor?
> RQ Adventures Fanzine #1 has a lot of neat details about this part of the
> world. Tom Zunder used to distribute it in the UK (are you still out there,
> Tom?), and I know the German RQers print a European edition. RQA is a good
> thing, IMHO; there have been plenty of worthwhile ideas in every issue so
> far -- and the latest one doesn't even have any Ducks! (Hurrah!)
I hope this is still true. Anyone have a semi-reliable way
to Contact Distributor? If this distribution is defunct, any change of
anyone bringing over a suitcaseful to flog at Convulsion?
> Sandy: doesn't Dayzatar have the Stasis rune? The Sky Dome is shaped like
> one, after all.
Since I've been called Sandy (though rarely twice), I'll opine: Dayzatar
uses the "Rune" he's shown with in the Gods Wall, which could conceivably
be mistaken for Stasis. But I don't think the Sky Dome exhibits Stasis,
but Orderly Motion. Perhaps things have gone downhill since Dayzatar was
in charge. The Sky Dome is actually a sphere, of course, not a hemisphere.
Let's not forget the stars of the underworld.
> In my games, Yelmalio has a strong Stasis association, for
> contrast with the Orlanthi way of war.
Noo yer talkin'. Antirius, doubly so.
Paul Reilly:
> Jugger probably can cause rare eclipses. Annilla is HIGHER than Yelm (after
> all she overcame him) and won't. There is a crescent shaped trak north of the
> Crater that should have Eclipses, think about it. There is probably a
> Temple of the Eclipse there. The track moves south in summer and north
> in winter.
Given Jugger's tendancy to destroy things, I hope you're wrong about the
first. There are various bodies which might cross the path of the sun
(Paul sounds right about the two moons), but we need to know their relative
apparent sizes. Sandy, would you care to handwave more specifically about
the height and size of the Red Moon than you've done to date? ;-) If the
diagram of the night sky in Elder Secret is to scale, many of the planets
may be big enough; any guesses as to whether Tolat, Wagon or Moskalf are
big enough?
Alex.
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