Out of order, I know, but -
> > How would you suggest modifying the standard Hero Wars rules
> > to fit your version of 'always flawed' illusion magic?
>
> As follows:
Fair enough, I was asking for that one :0)
> > I am not sugesting anything other than that normal Hero Wars rule
> > apply, and that a Complete Success does exactly what it says
> > on the tin.
>
> That has nothing at all do do with the HW rules per se, and
everything
> to do with the interpretation of the meaning of the tag, which in
this
> case amount to eliding "Create Illusory Cow" to "Create Cow",
without
> any regard to the likely magical difficulty, it seems to me.
We haven't discussed difficulties for particular tasks at all yet, but I don't imagine creating an accurate-to-the-point-of-breeding cow is going to be very easy.
> But even "Animal" is pretty particularised, especially as all
animals
> are able to reproduce, for example.
True, it's a specifica case of a hypothetical 'Create Illusion of Anything' ability, which ought to have truly cripling difficulty modifiers in pretty much all circumstances. However, The Great Trickster In The Sky probably has it. I think TGTITS can create breedable 'fake' cows, presumably you don't, and therefore there can be no myths in which he does. Is that fair to say?
> ...If you have an ability which can
> create things which can or can't reproduce, and may or may not
actually
> exist (the "bestiary cow", which your reply does _not_ address),
I'd say it's a marginal success cow, or the result of a successful ability roll, but which can be easily determined to be fake by a very pedestrian 'Knows About Cows' ability roll. i.e. What I'd expect from a streight reading of the HW rules.
> then
> it seems to me unlikely that a "cow illusion" created thereby will
in
> any way be likely to tap into "primal cowness" in the sort of way
that
> would enable one to conclude that it will necessarily be able to
breed.
Absolutely correct. I see no reason whatsoever to assume that a 'Marginal Success', and probably quite grotesque (as if cows weren't grotesque enough, frankly) illusory cow should be able to breed. I have never said that, and it's a huge stretch to warp what I have said in order to extract that implication. However it seems pretty clear that what you are saying is that no illusory cow, no matter how created or at what level of extraordinary sucess, can ever procreate. Is that correct?
Simon Hibbs
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