RE: You're in the army now

From: Mike Holmes <homeydont_at_...>
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 12:44:26 -0500


>From: "Jane Williams" <janewilliams20_at_...>

> > Heh. Try "American Culture" on for size.
>
>If I knew enough about it to comment I might. It registers as "overpaid,
>oversexed, and over here" as far as I'm concerned, plus McDonalds and
>Coke. I doubt if this is a fair representation (I hope not).

Well, it sorta is. That's the point. Just as the Lunars are "just" the Red Goddess. The point is that "American" is an umbrella under which there are a ton of cultures. Most of em if you look hard enough.

> > Right down to all of our governmental regalia
> > (Classical architecture, eagles, fasces - yep, the eagle in American
> > symbology holds the same symbol that stood for Fascism in WWII Italy).
>
>I'd noticed a few copied symbols, but no actual similarity. But this is
>probably getting a bit OT?

Imperialistic. Representative democracy, part called the Senate. "Provinces" that are actually countries unto themselves with subsidiary governments (mine's called Wisconsin). Debauched, given to displays of overindulgence...build tacky monuments?

I could go on. Sure we don't seem like the Romans at all to you?

> > There is an English Culture.
>
>You could have fooled me. And I'm English. Well, I'm British, but in
>this case that means a Celt/Saxon who doesn't like Normans much :)

You've had nearly 1000 years to get over the Norman invasion. Next you'll be telling me that you agree that it's meter instead of metre, theater instead of theatre, armor instead of armour? Or do you accept your franco-nordic heritage?!? ;-)

> > There is no Lunar Culture, other than it's
> > composed of that of it's constituent parts. Just like there's
> > no American Culture.
>
>To an outsider, there most certainly is. Very recognisable, and rather
>unpleasant. Yes, now you mention it, I *can* see similarities to the
>Lunars :)

See....

>How long's the Lunar Empire been "unified"? (Really, I have no idea.)
>How long for America - about a century - since the ACW, at a guess?
>Britain - we joined with Scotland in the mid 1600s, so going on for 400
>years. Well, a thousand or so to have a unified England and a loosely
>conquered Wales. The Roman Empire lasted, what, 400 years, too, maybe a
>bit more? So which willl be the better comparison, I wonder?

We've been independent for 200 yrs +, but essentially we were English for the first half or so, yes. But the English didn't become "Americans," no, everybody else came here, and we all became us. I have no English ancestors per se (Scottish and Irish aside). I work with people named Rivera, Khanna, McCabe, Michalak, Rytkonen, Safo-Adu, Ramachandran, Radzius, Keovongsack, Schmidlkofer, Sharfanski, Beaumonte....

Many cultures, all Americans. There are big differences, of course, from the Lunar and Roman empires, the cultures are not mixed as they are in America. But the general Lunar idea of inclusiveness is one that Americans like to tout (if we don't always live by it as well as we should).

>This was my idea, roughly. Lunars do have slaves, after all. Keeping
>them from escaping will be another matter, of course.

Eh, if the colony is far enough from anywhere... Further, slave mentality makes escape less likely. So it really depends on the source. Yeah, Heortlings pressed into service with homes just over the hill would be likely to run off. Hmmm.

Mike



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