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[mailto:HeroQuest-rules_at_yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ashley Munday
Sent: 12 March 2009 22:11
To: HeroQuest-rules_at_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: An actual example - L vs V
Hi,
I can't really speak for anyone else here but the first question to ask is:
Pretty damn important for Luke's player, it's the culmination of his story arc in the second session so I'd make it an extended contest using the climactic scene outcomes table. The stakes of the contest are whether Vader can neutralise Luke or turn him to the dark side.
Luke would be using his main keyword ability "Jedi Apprentice" augmented with his "Father's Lightsabre." If I were using the pass/fail cycle I'd say that from the previous two contests were arguing with Yoda on Dagobar (minor success) and trying to stop Fett leaving the space station (marginal fail) so I'd make it moderate resistance. If I was thinking more about the drama of the scene and not using the pass/fail cycle I'd probably want Luke's player to have a nailbiting time and burn a few hero points so I'd make it a hard resistance.
>From there it's pick up the dice, start rolling and telling each other
what's happening. First exchange Luke scores a success vs success but gets
the lower roll - the narration would be along the lines of Vader driving
Luke back into the Carbonite pit and Luke jumping out. Luke 1, Vader 0.
Second exchange Vader wins with a success vs a fail - they exchange a few more blows ending with Vader blowing Luke through a window and onto the gantry, bruised and prone on his back. Luke 1, Vader 2.
Third exchange Vader wins again with a success vs fail. Vader does the whole "Luke, I am your father" bit, Luke looses it and flails widely, having his paw chopped off in the process. Luke 1, Vader 4
Fourth exchange Luke wins, critical success vs fail. The narration is along the lines of Luke jumping into space and ending up clinging onto the instrument under the space station while Vader sweeps off to his star destroyer. Luke 4, Vader 4.
Final exchange, Luke wins (just) by spending a hero point. Narration is that he telepathically contacts Leia (who's been having her own climactic extended contest elsewhere to reach the Falcon) and the Millenium Falcon picks him up as the thing he's clinging to breaks up. Cue jump to hyperspace, getting a hand like dads and roll end credits.
Cheers,
Ash
> From: L C <lightcastle_at_ <mailto:lightcastle%40gmail.com> gmail.com>
> Subject: An actual example - L vs V
> To: HeroQuest-rules_at_ <mailto:HeroQuest-rules%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, 12 March, 2009, 2:15 AM
> Matthew,
>
> Since my issue is the mechanics, not the scale, perhaps an
> example would
> be helpful.
>
> Since HQ2 isn't a Gloranthan system, I'm going to
> cull my example from
> elsewhere.
>
> The Empire Strikes Back. Namely, Luke v Vader in the Cloud
> City.
>
> I'm assuming you know it, if not, we'll pick
> another example.
> We are using Luke as the PC. (Yes, in light of the
> prequels, the whole
> story is *really* about Vader, but I don't want to go
> into that.)
> A lone PC, of course, since even if you can argue any other
> characters
> are PCs in a Narrativist game (Maybe Han. Maybe.) they
> aren't in the scene.
>
> We have a sword fight, an attempt to turn to the darkside,
> some dramatic
> escapes...
>
> Now, in a D&D-style game, this is actually fairly
> simple. Stat out
> Vader, (presumably done in the sourcebook), stage the
> fight, have the
> dialogue reference the emotional content - unsupported by
> mechanics.
> Perhaps if it is something like RQ, which I think has a
> Taint stat that
> can be used, and I am sure there is some kind of Dark Side
> stat in the
> new Star Wars game out on the market, so those could have a
> mechanical
> component to the spiritual duel. (It being important to
> what we've seen
> about the light and dark side that Luke strikes first, Luke
> activates
> his light saber first, Luke gets angry, etc.)
>
> So, Matthew. (Or someone else.) How do you run that
> conflict in HQ2 so
> that it has the drama and significance of the movie scene,
> both in terms
> of mechanics and in terms of engaging the characters. Feel
> free to show
> how the fact you don't stat Vader up outside of his
> narration helps.
> What are the mechanical consequences of the events, what
> gets rolls and
> what doesn't?
>
> In HQ1, this kind of thing always tripped me up because was
> the fight a
> separate contest than the dark side conversion? Were there
> two separate
> contests in succession? (One ending at the Carbonite trap,
> the other
> ending in the escape of the Falcon? or maybe with Luke
> plunging down the
> shaft?) Was it a case of Luke attacking with lightsaber
> while Vader
> attacked with "Convert to Darkside?".
> Mechanically, what causes what in
> terms of loss and gain. Figuring out what was an AP bid,
> what was an
> unrelated action, and when goals changed or a new contest
> started always
> tripped me up.
>
> Care to explain how HQ2 handles this?
>
> Thanks.
> LC
>
>
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