What do you think about Classical Dara Happan Model Temple? IMHO I think KODP Orlanth Temple is very similar to East Asian Buildings...And I think in Older Glorantha, they like open space as Iranian Zoroastrians (Herodotos?)...
And there should be difference between Yelmic Buildings and Lunar Buildings. Lunars are Greek Style.
From: "illuminate33" <inarsus-ferilt-z_at_m...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 5:22 am
Subject: Re: Yelmic Style Temple
> > And there should be difference between Yelmic Buildings and Lunar
> > Buildings. Lunars are Greek Style.
>
> Funny. I've always used the (bronze&iron age) greek culture as
> inspiration for the Solars (Dara Happa, Yelmalians...)
>
> -Adept
I am now in complicated position about this topic. 1) Yelmite Dara Happan Culture is different from Yelmalion Sun Domers.
2) Lunars are upstart Rebels who came from East (Rinliddi?) and West (Carmania?) (From the point of view with DHs)
3) Orthodox Dara Happans have scarcely visited Dragon Pass. (Nysalorism is an unusual cult of DH) Only Nysalorian Broken Council Army and Lunar Yelmgathic School have conquered Dragonpass.
4) Greek City Culture is too differ from DH Theocracy, and their structures weren't be able to have to do with Actual System of their temples. Greeks never treated their living Kings as a focus of their Temples.
5) Romans have used complicated stratagem for ruling their eastern part of their imperium, they ruled Levant with former Oriental Dynastical Style.
6) Objection: Both Lunars and Lunars are Urban Inhabitants living in each independent City States, so the matter should be more reconsidered for their more familiarity to western "Europian" style than eastern "Oriental" style.
7) Objection: In the Historical Cataclysm, at least modern Lunars used Greek Style Temple Style. And we don't have enough models for reference about Oriental City Structures before Islamic Invasion.
Terra Incognita
Message: 2
From: "TERRA INCOGNITA" <inarsus-ferilt-z_at_...>
Subject: Yelmic Temple
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 01:29:09 +0900
Congratulation for the revival of Glorantha Digest....
>Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:39:59 +1300
> From: Peter Metcalfe <metcalph_at_...>
>Subject: Re: Yelmic Style Temple
>At 05:13 12/02/02 +0000, you wrote:
>>What do you think about Classical Dara Happan Model Temple?
>The oldest style is the Footstool (or Ziggurat) which dates
>from the Golden Age.
It was called Selshena in GROY and FS (Greg's Lunar Novel). But I am
skeptical about such construction have survived long since Golden
Age, in
Introduction to HW, p.12 Illustration of Jim Pavelic was not remained
at
least in modern 17C Lunar Empire (Or TakenEgi reconstructed it several
times), IMHO Sheng Seleris destroyed it, never broken construction
were
Raibamus (a sort of Big Stone Clad (Meteor?) and magical pillar
(called
Shaft, p45 GROY) appearing for Tem Tests of each legitimate Emperors.
(I
think it is similar to Castle Blue in Lake Oronin.) IMHO, Sheng
Seleris
could destroy everything except things made from Adamant...even God's
Wall
was "revised" by him. And each emperors pretend to believe their own
Ziggurats are on the tradition of Ancient Golden Age. Of course, in
Glorantha, 17C Orlanthi lives correctly "same" lifestyle of Original
Heortling in Dawn...
>The Sun Dome style came next in the Dawn
>Age although such temples were apparently never consecrated
>to Yelm (although both Antirius and Yelmalio had many such
>temples built to them in this time).
I think such kind of temple made a focus as "the throne of Emperor"
though
the person who holds such role doesn't have any power in such temples
of
"frontier" of Dara Happan Empire. Maybe they don't take apart
Dayzatar from
Yelm....
A Lyceum to Yelm is
>mentioned in the Fortunate Succession in this time period and
>so probably is a grove of trees.
FS P.77, I think that is a kind of influence from Pelanda in the
reign of
Erraibdavu. He conquered that area.
>The first Yelm Temples were built in early in the Imperial Age.
>Unfortunately we are not told much about it nor of its style.
Or Greg knows.
>--Peter Metcalfe
>Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:38:46 -0000
> From: "contracycle" <gamartin_at_...>
>Subject: Re: Yelmic Style Temple
me:
>> 6) Objection: Both Lunars and Lunars are Urban Inhabitants living
>in
>> each independent City States, so the matter should be more
>> reconsidered for their more familiarity to western "European" style
>> than eastern "Oriental" style.
>Hmm, maybe, although it might map quite well to the old Egyptian
>cities... along a river... Vertical monoliths interpreted as "frozen
>light" of the sun, monumental statuary, slab-sided temple
>structures. And at least in the predynastic period its probable that
>the "egyptian state" as it comes to be is the synthesis of a number
>of cities and their native gods - osiris, horus, seth.
Maybe. I now try to portrait Dara Happan Cities and Temples in
Historical
Time, such like collapse of Ancient Egypt after Assyrian / Persian /
Alexander destroyed it, and how they have maintenance their ancient
tradition. like Hellenistic Egypt?
I think there is much difference among the concept of the
each "temples" of
any RW cultures...IIRC, "Temple" is derived from Latin Word, I don't
know
how ancient Great Temple of Fray in Uppsala of Sweden keeping their
custom,
but I think Orlanthi has different concept of their statuettes of
their
pantheon aside from DH and Lunar doctrines.
Terra Incognita
inarsus-ferilt-z_at_...
From: Greg Stafford <Greg_at_g...>
Date: Fri Feb 15, 2002 4:24 am
Subject: Re: Yelmic Style Temple
Hello,
At 05:13 AM 2/12/2002 -0000, you wrote:
>What do you think about Classical Dara Happan Model Temple?
Mythic eras can be visited of course, and created an objective towards
which Dara Happan artists worked. Thus their prehistoric and Khordavuera
slow changes. To us, it looks "Early Middle Eastern."
Dara Happan art and material culture is static until acted upon by an
outside force. The outside force for most of their internal chnage
has been
Pelanda. Pelandan style is resisted then adopted by DH emperors
throughout
history. Thus over centuries the Middle Eastern" architecture of
Khordavu
gradually gives way to a more-Sassinid like (Greek) style.
When Takenegi undertook the rebuilding of the empire after SS many
artists
came from Pelanda, and the prevalent style "today" is similar to the
Doric
style Greek temples. Of course, he has also rebuilt the prehistoric
Solar
ziggurants as well, for magical purposes.
Message: 7
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:19:04 +1300
To: glorantha_at_...
From: Peter Metcalfe <metcalph_at_...>
Subject: Dara Happan Temples
Terra:
> >The oldest style is the Footstool (or Ziggurat) which dates
> >from the Golden Age.
>It was called Selshena in GROY and FS (Greg's Lunar Novel). But I am
>skeptical about such construction have survived long since Golden Age
Well since it's in the shape of a pyramid, destroying it is always going to be very difficult. So I'm comfortable with the notion of it surviving in ruins.
>(Or TakenEgi reconstructed it several times)
It would have been mentioned in his list of great deeds if it happened.
>IMHO Sheng Seleris destroyed it,
Again it would have been noted. Instead we are told that Sheng Seleris placed the Empty Emperor on the Footstool (FS p63) and later his brother attempted the ten tests.
>never broken construction were
>Raibamus (a sort of Big Stone Clad (Meteor?) and magical pillar
(called
>Shaft, p45 GROY) appearing for Tem Tests of each legitimate Emperors.
The Shaft of Light appears on top of the Footstool.
"We went east down the huge Imperial Way, towards the Square
of the Sun. From anyplace on that wide road, we could see
the Selshena. The huge pyramid was mounted by a tower. Atop
that, on holy days (I am told), the column of light called
Antirius appeared once again to bath Our Father [the Red
Emperor - PHM], and begin anew the cycles of appearing every
seven years."
YBoT p20.
>IMHO, Sheng Seleris could destroy everything except things made from
>Adamant...even God's Wall was "revised" by him.
I strongly doubt this. Any revision of the Gods Wall would be scars rather than rearrangements.
--Peter Metcalfe>>
I'll bring it to the Glorantha Digest.
Terra Incognita
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