Re: mixed worship

From: David Dunham <david_at_...>
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:03:06 -0800


Peter wrote:

> If they sacrifice to gods and venerate the Invisible God at the
> same time then they are still doing misapplied worship or should
> suffer an equivalent penalty because they are trying to approach
> magic from two different ways. Not actually covered in the rules,
> but what prevents the worshippers of the Tarshite Flamebringer
> Temple from simply venerating him and avoiding all those misapplied
> worship penalties? Or the worshippers of Saint Dormal furtively
> conducting sacrifices to his divine aspect deep within their temples
> while openly venerating him for the Open Seas spell?

I agree that the Flamebringers don't have the background and specialists to properly venerate, but I don't think it should necessarily be the same penalty (or at least that it shouldn't be 2x, which I think is too high for a cultural penalty anyway).

> - Before the Return to Rightness, I imagine that most
> Malkioni societies tolerated the "innocent" peasants
> indulging in pagan worship while such worship forbidden
> to everybody else. IMO the Return to Rightness showed
> prohibiting the peasants from pagan worship made the
> Malkioni community much stronger as a whole.

When I ran my Jrusteli game, I speculated otherwise. Most people worshipped as Malkioni, but they would still sacrifice (or pray to or whatever) pagan gods for extra luck in some endeavor. In my game, even after the Rightness movement was in full swing, sailors would still occasionally do this.

> > > There are also the Malkioni of Umathela of whom the majority also
> > > worship pagan gods.
>
> >I'm not sure I agree with "majority," but it's certainly common.
>
> I've been informed (by both Greg and Sandy on separate occasions)
> that the Sedalpists are in a minority (perhaps as little as 2-10%),
> although this is largely masked by the spiritual intensity of the
> Sedalpists.

My understanding is that the Sedalpists are not the majority sect. They may be the *largest* sect, however.

I do think this may be veering away from general interest, but some form of mixed worship occurs on two separate continents, and I can't believe it is so inefficient as the rules make out. (It is definitely less efficient, which is one reason the Return to Rightness movement spread so quickly.) I think part of the problem is that the increased flexibility is not modelled really well.

I wonder if instead of an increased learning cost, the default resistance should be higher than 14.

David Dunham <mailto:dunham_at_...>
Glorantha/HW/RQ page: <http://www.pensee.com/dunham/glorantha.html> Imagination is more important than knowledge. -- Albert Einstein

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