Re: Re: Common religions and concentrating magic

From: Roderick and Ellen Robertson <rjremr_at_...>
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 13:57:07 -0700


>> Personally, I'd make Concentration focus on a single entity, rather than
>> a
>> form or magic or a pantheon - basically, it would be the "Devotee"-style
>> restriction - use no magic (from another Otherworld entity) except from
>> your Patron Saint/God/Great Spirit/whatever.
>
> Except you already do that to Devote. How is this different?

Because currently you can Concentrate without devoting or becoming a shaman. I'd remove the "Concentrate on Theism" or even "Concentrate on the Storm Tribe" and replace it with "Concentrate on <Otherworld being>", which in the case of Theism, is not the same as Devoting, as you could still be a "Concentrated Initiate". However, there is no equivalent in Sorcery as it stands, nor in Animism except for Shamans.

Also, it
> specifically violates one of the things that Shamans have going for them,
> the
> ability to get spirits from various places. I'm not even sure what the
> effect
> would be on the Malkioni. Limit to one School or Order, I suppose?

Shamans can have special rules - they're wierd enough already. I can see the Fetch allowing capture/diplomacy with "foreign" spirits.

>> This would allow much more leeway in "mixing" the magic of pantheons. So
>> you worship a God and he worships a Spirit and she worships a Saint -
>> they
>> are all in the same pantheon, you're all friendly towards each other (at
>> least as friendly as any family/clan/tribe is), you share rites and holy
>> days with each other, You band together against "them heathen furriners",
>> etc.
>
> Why can't you do that now? Isn't that what people do now?

The only two pantheons that have really had really good overviews are pretty monolithic in their magic systems - Heortling are pretty solidly Theist (yes, I know all about Sedresdosa, Kolat, Odayala and Renvald Meldikbane, that's hardly a significant proportion of Heortlins) and the Lunars (All Lunar, all the Time). We have not seen a truely "Mixed" pantheon in any depth. Also, the rules specifically (absolutely wrongly, in my opinion) that "Specialised Religions concentrate on one type of magic to the exclusion of all others." (top of page 105). The first truely mixed "pantheon" we've seen is in BoG. (and about time, too!).

RR
He was born with the gift of laughter and the sense that the world was mad R. Sabatini, Scaramouche

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