In a simple contest this is easy and is covered by automatic success on HQ p24-25.
In exalted a perfect always allows a total victory at what is being attempted, that time. So in an extended contest the player can still roll, but the minimum outcome for them should be a success and no points awarded against the user.
The only remaining thing is to limit their use. Why, because then they can be used all the time. In exalted, you run out of motes. Your virtues only limit how you can use your perfect and I think one of the four flaws should still be picked like in Exalted. As for running out of motes, well we've chucked that out so another limit is needed.
Linking perfect to limit fits in my mind. On the Exalted forum there was a discussion as to how Exalts avoided the effects of Primordial sorcery, when they had none of their own at the time. The answer was perfects. The great curse also limiting perfects to a small extent fits in my mind.
Every time a perfect is used, a point of limit is gained (or perhaps 3 or 5).
Limit as a heroquest attribute also has some interesting points. At 1W you can't fumble. at 1W2 you can't fail. So at 1W2 (41) you automatically go into limit break.
On 27 Dec 2009, at 18:14, andrew.d.scott_at_... wrote:
> Hm. Perfects are tricky. Right now I'm not sure how to deal with them, if at all.
>
> One idea occurs, although I'm nowhere near experienced enough with HQ2 for this kind of systemic tinkering. It's very rough and likely vastly overpowered:
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> A player can declare a perfect during any contest where they use a named charm. The perfect negates all previous rolls and ends the contest with a complete victory for the player and a dying result for the opponent. No negative consequences of victory are experienced by the initiating character. A character assaulted by a perfect may counter with a perfect of their own if they can. Doing so results in a tie; the contest ends and no negative consequences are experienced by either side.
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> So what's the downside? Perfection cannot be used on two successive contests and victories gained are counted twice on the pass/fail cycle. No lingering advantages may be claimed from perfect victories.
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> >
> > I agree with you on the martial arts
> >
> > I'd add in to the Keyword buying system:
> > 3 point Keywords, Solar Sorcery, Sidereal MAs
> > 2 point Keywords, Celestial Sorcery, Celestial MAs
> > 1 point Keywords, Terrestrial Sorcery,TMAs
> > I'd Label VBoS as the Sidereal Hero style
> >
> > I'd like to keep the perfects as well as for me that's also a defining part of exalted, especially as they are charms. I realise that this may unbalance HQ. The exalted way is linked to virtues that can limit them, but we've just thrown that out. Using a perfect gives you limit?
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