At 21:24 15/07/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Peter Metcalfe says:
>
> >As for the question of whether Uleria is Orthodox or Manifest,
> >Orthodox mysticism is only obtainable by austerities and other
> >tactics of self-denial. Any method that uses worldly practices
> >(i.e. sex, drug-taking etc) is Manifest. Uleria fits better in
> >the latter category.
>
> I think this is an excessively narrow view of Orthodox and Manifest
>Mysticism. The most striking difference between the two paths (as seen on
>HW, p.217) is withdrawing from the world (Orthodox) vs unification with the
>world (Manifest).
And how does one withdraw from the world? Through austerities and other
tactics of self-denial.
--Peter Metcalfe