RE: Dragons in the West

From: Greg Stafford <Greg_at_...>
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:17:02 -0800


At 11:04 PM 10/30/2001 +0200, you wrote:
>> I actually don't know what you mean by "manifest to them."
>> Chaos manifests as itself.
>> Their interpretations of its origins vary.
>
>Ah. There was talk, years back on the GD, of how Chaos manifests in
>different societies. Praxians and Orlanthi seek it out and find it, so
>they get lots of monsters.

I see.
I don't buy that.

>Yelmites don't acknowledge it on that level, so to them it's more of a
>social and moral corruption.
>But parhaps this is all too subjective.
I don't consider it to work that way.

>So does the west have Broo, Dragonsnails and such quite like the
>Orlanthi lands?

Those do occur int he west. Of course,they have their own unique critters as well. Chaos is inconsistant, but various things among the category do exist better or more commonly within different eco-zones. That is, the various chaos monsters tend to be found in more specific regions.

>Just read essense.

So you meant to ask:
>Or perhaps in the west, chaos manifests as breakdown of logic and virtue
>(not that different from above) and soul destroying essence entities in
>the magic planes that can escape into the mundane world. Truly alien and
>insane creatures of magic, ranging from the irritating and strange to
>the apocalyptically destructive.

Chaos does not come from any of the standard planes. It does not exist in the God, Spirit or Sorcerous Planes. It is, in general, from its own plane. However, it doesn't have a plane per se.

>> >> > Do they have dragons in the west (for the knights to fight,
obviously),
>> >>
>> >> Yes (though more often in the past), but even dream dragons are v. rare.
>> >
>> >That's what I tought. Parhaps they are almost exlucively creatures of
>> >the deeper magical planes, unlike in central Genertela. (Dragon Pass
>> >seems to be a big draconic node, the center of their power in the world)
>> Dragons are from their own Plane, but no one can get to it under any of the
>> normal circumstances. It is essentially accessible only to dragons.
>
>Their own part of reality. Did the EWF humans manage to gain entrance?
Yes.

>Are there still dragons about that were originally humans?
There could be.

>> The dragons were still alive and worked voluntarily with the Waertagi.
>Much better! That's how I've run it anyway, but I thought that may be a
>bit heretical.

When the GL tried to do this they used the same sorceries, but the sea dragons never acquiesced and they never succeded in making the ships.

>> >> > Actually, does one encounter dragons in the Adept/Saint planes?
>> >> Surely, one could! Just as one might encounter them anywhere else in
>> >> Glorantha.
>> >They certainly seem more like creatures of pure magic in the West.
>> >Parhaps the occasional dreamdragon escapes from a sorcerers portal, or
>> >is released on a knights heroquest.
>> As I said in a different note, they are not from the Sorcerous Planes.
>
>Roger on that. All in all the Dragons seem to have much less influence
>in the West, the Seadragons being the exception, of course.

Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack. Surely significent dragons existed, as intrusions, especially in the mythic time periods of Danmalastan.



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