Re: Troy - sigh

From: Julian Lord <jlord_at_SnXh7kzdY0qNU8hOnZBuN4a36MDIGxFI5UwAwI2e34XPGb1K09ls-bJ4x7xaiknKJYtAZN>
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 20:01:24 +0200

RRRRRRRRRRoooorrrrrrrrry :

>>> If you are objecting to Peter Jackson not lovingly recreating
>>> Tolkiens authentic '40s sexism and relegating all but one of the
>>> female characters actions to the appendix, you might be the sort of
>>> Tolkien fan that, well, really objects to Tolkien being made into
>>> GOOD films.
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> I'd like the LotR to be made into a good film. I really would.
> Jacksonm came close, but screwed up too many times. I object to a
> group of people that claim to be "true to the original", who then
> *add* irrelevant scenes, and change motivations.

I'm mostly with Rory on this one.

> And Faramir? He is almost 180 degrees from his book portrayal, and
> makes no sense whatesoever,

Hmm ; well, IMO Faramir in T2T:EE is actually a subtle new interpretation of the character, one that works ; but of course Faramir in RotK is a ludicrous caricature (particularly the "let's all go and commit horse-charging pointless suicide in Osgiliath because daddy doesn't love me" bit).

> Sorry, but the Arwen scenes did nothing for feminism, or for the movie.

I like Arwen in FotR and T2T. I'm still *hoping* that I'll like her in RotK:EE ... :-/

>>> But are you one of these people that is upset because they
>>> cut Tom Bombadil just because he was an irritating irrelevancy?
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> Nope, I object to adding crappy scenes when you're already over
> time-budget. Hobbits in Osgiliath?

I like this particular change.

> Warg Attack?

Ugly cinematography, but well-intentioned.

> Aragorn in the river?

SUPER-COOL scene IMO. PJ channeling Tolkien. God's Grace in the form of Hasufel ... Yummy !

> Frodo telling Sam to go home?

<blecchh !>

> For this shit we lost the Faramir-Eowyn romance?

Still waiting for RotK:EE ...

... but given the charisma of that particular actress (think : vile "Eowyn cooks for Aragorn" pointless character-destroying scene), not with baited breath ...

> We had to make do with Theoden at Helm's Deep instead of Eomer?

hm-hm

> We had to cut Tom & Goldberry & Old Man Willow

.. well ...

> and the Barrow Downs and the Wights and the Blades of Westernesse?

YES, definitely a bad PJ choice there ...

Of course, he was just copying Bakshi's bad choice, wasn't he ... :-(

> We lost the scouring of the shire?

:-(

We lost Saruman in toto in RotK, for no good reason whatsoever !!!!

> Sorry, but I am *not* the biggest PJ fan. He screwed around with the
> source material while loudly proclaiming his "authenticity".

Me neither, although he did get his FotR:EE and T2T:short versiuon right, IMO.

The theatrical version of RotK, though, was a mitigated disaster IMO.

Julian

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