Peter Metcalfe wrote:
>At 04:48 AM 6/22/2005 -0700, you wrote:
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>>I had been looking for in-world evidence that people
>>in Glorantha knew that Inora was White Princess.
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>What's wrong with standard textual evidence?
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What's wrong with it, is that it was written by God Learners...
AFAIK the GLs identified these two separate entities with each other, in standard GL manner, but although the GLs were not completely wrong, and though the two do indeed partake of a common transcendental/Runic/magical Source, the breaking of the world sundered them, and they are now separate beings -- possibly a single being split in two, but that's very speculative, and the person to ask about that would be Greg.
>>A fine point. Presumably, if they were genuinely
>>different entities, the God Learners would have known
>>that one was a spirit and the other a goddess.
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I don't know who wrote this, but remember that the GLs were
Wizards/Sorcerors ... plus, it can't be ruled out that individual GLs
involved in this sorry affair could possibly have had no understanding
whatsoever of the difference(s) between goddesses, spirits, and demons
-- hence cosmological confusion.
>Why the need to invalidate the prosopeadia then? I
>haven't seen anything to necessitate Inora being
>a separate deity from the White Princess given that
>Inora's so minor she didn't even receive a write-up
>in Storm Tribe. She can still be worshipped by the
>Orlanthi if she was a helper practice in the Kolati
>tradition.
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Inora wasn't mentioned in any detail for space reasons mainly, but also
because she's not at all important in Sartar generally.
The White Princess is an ancient Generting spirit, with a completely separate mythology IMO.
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>>A few points here. First, I should have said "textual
>>references" rather than stories. There are extremely
>>few stories about Inora. Second, at least TR and ST
>>balances the references to other spirits as "gods" by
>>expressly stating elsewhere that they are spirits. It
>>fails to do so for Inora.
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>And fails to do so for Velhara but we know that she's
>worshipped by the Animist Grazers. So this needless
>textual exposition isn't really doing anything useful.
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Velhara breaks several ordinary rules, not that I'd go so far as to
classify her as a Defiant entity.
Little is known about her true nature, but she is associated with wild fauna similarly to Aldrya's association with flora -- and her nature is "Wild", and therefore hard to pin down and define.
>>Third, there are enough
>>other textual references to Inora as a goddess that
>>deciding she is a spirit invalidates at least some.
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>No, there isn't. The description of Inora or Pamalt
>as a Great Spirit in HQ terms does not invalidate
>any prior textual reference whatsoever because the
>other references were _not_ _using_ the HQ
>definitions.
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Maybe, but I can assure you that Inora _is_ a goddess, in HQ terms.
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>>So, your rule is that any entity appearing in Nomad
>>Gods is a spirit?
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>Yes.
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>>What is your rationale for that rule?
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>Plain common sense.
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Nonsense.
Pavis appears in NG, and Pavis is plainly a god, not a spirit. There are other exceptions, and your rule is therefore a nonsensical one.
Julian Lord
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