Re: Vedr. Re: In Defence Of A Goddess - A

From: Jakob Pape <chaomancer_at_9BDTp2AMKkFkq307gThH1rvXpl2EKynlx5CmPZcggRaSAwc-9Tww7TIDqY5i-QPuI>
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:49:45 +0100

On 5/11/07, Jeff Richard <richaje_at_f9lZrZQWuo8ACkcWrsji8MmHXLwe0XKSQQ76OZjKem1ufsJfB_e05fp9wc8le8HdclJw0YvefbsqLA.yahoo.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Hang on, I'm confused. I thought only men could worship Orlanth, with
> > Vingans as the exception that lets women have access to his magic.
> Why would
> > Orlanth Rex be different? Women have Orendana the Queen to follow, after
> > all.
>
> That's a tribal formation thing. Tribal leaders either have Orlanth
> or Ernalda as their patron. For example, the Hendrikings were always
> Orlanth Dar kings, even when the actual king was an Ernaldan. Same
> thing about the Colymar - they are always Orlanth Rex.
>
> Same thing for the Orendanae - an Esrolian tribe is ruled through
> Orendana. If a man gets acclaimed ruler of that tribe, it is a new
> tribe (and the Grandmothers Council will make sure it is crushed).
>
> Anybody can become an Orlanth Dar or Rex initiate if they are
> acclaimed the ruler of their clan or tribe and they make the
> sacrifices and such to Orlanth the King. Humakti, Ernaldans,
> Uroxings, Issaries, whoever.

Okay, interesting. That's definitely not the impression I got from Thunder Rebels, though, did I miss something? It makes sense, but I don't see any exceptions in the rules to allow for it. Just an error in the book?

It does mean that women are not as shut out from Orlanth's magic as I thought - but the idea of an Ernaldan leader with Allfather feats is odd.

Besides, Vinga is not a Queen. If I was revising things, I'd go back
> to having Orlanth be Warrior, Farmer, King and Thunderer and have
> Vinga access all the Warrior subcults. That would also minimize the
> Allfather problem, which is the substantive issue that triggers this
> debate (although this debate is hardly about that anymore).
>
> Jeff

One of the few problems that I have with Vinga as written is that she grants access to more Orlanthi magic than men have access to - so yes, a fix like that might be handy. If I were going to make the change I'd say simply that a Vingan gets to access the Adventurous subcults of Orlanth - she is 'Vinga the Adventuress' after all.

-- 
Jakob Pape

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