Re: WoG vs Moon Design's forums

From: Pomeroi <pomeroi_at_e60JkD4p2TwevWQNVl9wMtiu_9veG-06eQk_S2ZxGQgzyAzyjIXAs02svKMP1pGPiACl>
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:10:17 +0200


I tried to sum up my reasons of preference

capability, longevity, usability, accessibility

in one structured doc and put that up in the www instead of posting it here. I think I even caught most points of contributors to this list. Have a look:

http://www.hsteffin.de/lists/

Pomeroi

On 18.04.2012 19:40, Stewart wrote:
> The older hands here will remember the birth of World of Glorantha, and the issues that accompanied it. Some list-members might seek to diminish these issues--variably on account of wise circumspection, toadying, emotional obliviousness and/or good-natured ignorance*--but they did exist. The situation wasn't entirely amicable.
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> (*Have fun assigning people to those categories.)
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> I'm not suggesting that Rick, Jeff, Greg et al. intended the death of the Glorantha Digest/List (I do not think they did), but it would be naive for anybody to think that WoG (which was touted as the only list upon which Greg would participate) would not have a negative impact upon Graham's list. It did.
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> I remember quite a few folk being vocal critics of this state of affairs, and the idea of a new, competing list; they all moved to World of Glorantha.
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> (Just saying.)
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> Moon Design has been relatively ruthless in its centralised approach to Gloranthan publishing in recent years. Rick and Jeff certainly won't thank me for saying that in somewhat harsh terms, but I mean it in a complimentary way, overall. The publication/authorship model adopted right at the beginning of the 'Hero Wars renaissance' was unsustainable. It relied on an uncontrolled enfranchisement of a community of widely differing views, productivity and abilities.
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> It worked well for a time; it produced some wonderful things. Was Ajax under Kovács better than Ajax under Michels? Yep. But it also fell apart.
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> I think this is a time for more ruthlessness.
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> I don't like the idea of splitting of Gloranthan discussions again. The community isn't massive. The popular creative aspect of it isn't entirely dead, but is shuffling around like a decrepit leper.
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> The situation now is also different. The WoG list and the Moon Design forums are both run by the same people. I'd prefer it if the community--by whatever means, tacit or otherwise; sugar-coat it as we must--was forced to move to a new venue. I'm sure quite a few people will complain. I'm also sure that most of them will move. Keep World of Glorantha up as an archive; make it public but remove the ability to post.
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> For that to happen however, the Moon Design forums would need to be in a form to handle their functioning as the `sole' carriage of Gloranthan discussion. They currently are not. If they can be brought to that level (which is as much an issue of aesthetic as function), I suggest Moon Design don't pander, or try to be equivocal and nice. Be bastards. Or bastards while pretending to be nice; you have books to sell, after all!**
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> (**My suggestion would be to surreptitiously transfer list-ownership to a patsy (unconnected with Moon Design) and have them pull the plug. Create a false account in Boaty's name; that should do it.)
           

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