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RuneQuest-Rules-Digest      Sunday, March 8 1998      Volume 01 : Number 032




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Re: [RQ-RULES] enchantments and ENCHANT HOLY SYMBOL
Re: [RQ-RULES] Repost: RQ4 Stuff, part 3
Re: [RQ-RULES] My 2 clacks
[RQ-RULES] Damage
[RQ-RULES] RQII Divine Intervention
RE: [RQ-RULES] Repost: RQ4 Stuff, part 3
Re: [RQ-RULES] Truesword in RQ2 <who, me?>, damage
Re: [RQ-RULES] enchantments, ENCHANT HOLY SYMBOL
Re: [RQ-RULES] Shaking the tree
[RQ-RULES] Vadeli Sorcery

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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:51:01 EST
From: JULIAKIR <JULIAKIR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] enchantments and ENCHANT HOLY SYMBOL

In a message dated 98-03-06 11:52:08 EST, you write:

<< > It struct me today that enchantments really need a lot more work.  
 > For example, I think that the humakti (and others) gifts, at least 
 > some of them, are enchantments.  How else do you explain a sword 
 > that can do double damage to <select your species here>?  Of 
 > course, if a God 'gave' you an enchantment it is probably harder 
 > to break - except by that God, especially when you go apostate. >>

I do not belive that a Humakti gifts have any thing to do with enchantments.
They are blessings of a god to and are maintained by the dedication of his
followers.  Thus then the initiate dies, or is excommunicated, the blessing
expires. Note also that this blessing can be move from one iteam to another
through a DI.

I also wrote a spell which is a divine enchantment and let worshipers to
temporarily an increase in cult related skills, as well as provide cults with
real holy symbols.

ENCHANT HOLY SYMBOL
1pt, Ritual (Enchantment), Stackable, Reusable
This ritual requires the presence of at least 3 initiates, each of these must
succeed in an enchant roll, all will sacrifice at least 1 point of power.  The
enchantment must be performed in a sanctified area and a successful Worship
<Deity> ceremony must be performed during  the enchantment ritual.  Two out of
the three initial points of power sacrificed are used for conditions on the
enchantment, the third point creates a matrix which gives the user +10% to all
cult skills.  The effect lasts for 15 minutes and requires personal magic
points equal to power expended in the ritual.  Additional points stacked,
beyond the first three, will give another +10% to all cult skills.
 

Leon Kirshtein
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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 23:53:28 -0500
From: Tal Meta <talmeta@cybercomm.net>
Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Repost: RQ4 Stuff, part 3

stancliff@commnections.com wrote:

>    I have noticed, though, that it is not the 1d3 punch that 
> breaks the guy's arm... it is the 1d6 damage bonus!  Very bad, 
> very bad... yeah bad.  ;>)

I have seen fights where big, obnoxiously strong looking people HAVE
broken bones by strength alone (it sure wasn't from style... we're
talking drunken bar brawls, here).

Someone who -knows- what they're doing, and is actively trying to do it,
should leave a string of broken bodies behind them.
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Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 00:32:47 -0500
From: Tal Meta <talmeta@cybercomm.net>
Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] My 2 clacks

stancliff@commnections.com wrote:
>    You are using some variation of Steve's sorcery rules.  In RQ3 
> no sorcerer can cast a spell with more than Intensity 18, less if 
> he wants duration too.  Your spell only has a 25% chance of 
> success against a 24 point attack... not very good.

Yes, we were using Sandy's Sorcery. If I had somebody that could dish
out 24 pint attacks, that somebody was getting Evoke Lightning'd from
the corner of the room. As often as possible.

> in a return attack because the first two attacks both knocked him 
> back before his strike rank.  It should have been worse, but we 
> ran the rules the way we knew them.

As they should be run. Most nightmarish combat my players faced was down
in the underlevels of a heavilly modified ToEE, where the sorcerer
they'd been trying to get-before-he-got-them had a local with an
anti-magic shell wade through the party to nail the sorcerer, freeing
the party's bound spirits as he went (I ruled that any spirit with INT
that had it's binding enchantment neutralized by the anti-magic took
flight). As the party was spirit heavy, this was a major incident, and
that opponent suddenly became everybody's target (you can only parry so
many attacks per round, afterall).
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 02:57:18 EST
From: Kennjewlz <Kennjewlz@aol.com>
Subject: [RQ-RULES] Damage

   Hey gang,
   Lately  people've been going on about real damage,stun damage,fatigue
damage,the range of damage dice,plusses,etc....
   From deep in the Land of the Out of Print comes my hereby admittedly faulty
recollections of an article printed back in  "Heroes" magazine sometime around
84 (maybe?)  that combined both real & fatigue-inducing damage into a mostly
nice & simple little bit of Rules.
   Anyway, Fatigue & HP are figured & lost in the same manner as usual in the
Rules(fighting rounds of combat,backbreaking labor,running,etc),with a few
additions &modifications....... :)
   First off,In addition to the normal  damage inflicted by a weapon,it also
produces a loss of Ftg pts equal to the pts of damage rolled for the weapon(I
can't remember if this Ftg damage is reduced by APs or not).
   Note that both the normal pts of damage & the Ftg pt loss are generated
with the single roll for the weapon's damage.
   A weapon's damage is modified as well,depending on Weapon type:
   Natural Weapons(as in  brawlin',not chompin'  ) do 1/2 damage after
penetrating any APs.Ftg dmg is equal to the dmg roll before halfing
occurs.Natural Weapon combat becomes a whole lot less lethal ;much more likely
that someone involved in a brawl will be beaten senseless(Ftg loss) rather
than being involved in a body-maiming deathmatch.
   Blunt weapons do 1pt-less (or is it 2 less?) damage than rolled.Ftg dmg is
equal to the dmg roll before the  minor damage reduction ( -1pt,or is it
- -2?).These remain almost as deadly as ever.
   Blades (including axes) do their normally-rolled amount of damage;applied
to both HP&Ftg pts; remaining just as lethal as ever!
   When dealing with inanimate objects ,rolled damage is applied  as
usual,with no reductions.
   Missles & Animal weapons?All these years later I just can't remember.Sorry!
   If you work with this stuff  for even a short while you'll find that combat
will wear you out! 
   At some point a target's Ftg will eventually reach Negative Ftg.
   Right before reaching the NegFtg  level,the "average" human character
(STR11,CON11=FTG22) will be stumbling around at something like -43 or 44% on
ALL abilities.I can't remember whether a character is supposed to pass out@
NegFtg level,or if one can continue pushing on to even lower levels of bleery-
eyed skill mods.
   Be Fian-valorous in your wounding exploits!
  -Ken Murphy-
  
   
   

   


   
 
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 12:07:59 GMT
From: "Nikk Effingham" <eng7nje@ARTS-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK>
Subject: [RQ-RULES] RQII Divine Intervention

If I remember correctly, in RQII all worshippers other than lay 
members received 1d100 Divine Intervention, whereas Rune Lords 
received their special 0-10 POW DI, and priests get to sacrifice for 
the Divine Intervention spell AS WELL AS having the 1d100 DI.

I wish I had my rules with me....

Nikk E.

Nikk Effingham
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     "If absolute power corrupts absolutely
           Where does that leave God?"
                            -- George Daacon
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 09:20:56 -0500
From: "Choinski, Burt" <BChoinski@xserv.billerica-ma.peritus.com>
Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] Repost: RQ4 Stuff, part 3

allen wallace [SMTP:alwallac@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us]
|| Am I the only one bothered by the ratio of damage between a fist
attack
|| and weapon attacks? The RQ4 lists make it worse, now a fist still
does 1d3
|| as compared to that shortsword at 1d4. How does anyone else justify
or
|| correct this. I'm leaning towards lethal and non lethal attack types.
Non
|| lethal attacks will do fatigue damage except on specials and crits. 

We have always played, in verious game systems (P&P, GURPS, RQ) that
fists, feet, grapples, (headbutts) all do subdual damage (a term from
P&P).  The damage is rolled normally and taken by the target, any if
they go over their
HP they are out cold (likewise, a x3 subdual to the head and chest puts
them out).  After combat, 3/4ths of the
subdual damage is eliminated, the remainder being real damage (bruising,
etc).

One can attempt to use lethal-damage weapons for subdual, but the
difficulty should be reduced (roll under 1/2 skill,
else it is normal damage if you roll under skill).  Also, adding
"hardeners" to the hands (cestus) or feet (steel-shod boots?) will allow
the damage to be lethal.
     -- Burton 

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Burton Choinski, Peritus Software Services Inc.
bchoinski@peritus.com

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Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 07:44:59 -0600
From: "Paul W. Stolar" <paulstolar@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Truesword in RQ2 <who, me?>, damage

stancliff@commnections.com wrote:
> 
> RU>I feel your pain... I never even had a draft. In fact, by the time I
> RU>found out there WAS a draft, it was all I could do to piece together
>    My totally rewritten version is on (commnections.com\upgrades) under
> my campaign section as house rules.  I am still doing edits ocasionally
> and expect to modify the price lists soon to my match my value for a
> silver piece.
> 
> RU>> Well, the magic prices were certainly too cheap.
>    The whole discussion of too cheap/too expensive is very relative.
> The first thing you have to decide is the buying power of a silver
> piece.  RQ2 valued 1L at about $4, and RQ3/4 assumes a value of over
> $30/L at which point some of the prices are actually too high.  This
> explains most of the price differences between the systems.  RQ2 prices
> would need to be divided by a conversion factor for RQ3 or the other way
> around.  I prefer about $5/L, and I adjust all printed prices to reflect
> this, including for treasure.
>    The RQ2 prices work best if you assume that 1L is enough to buy a
> decently filling meal with no frills (fast food), 1.5-2L gets table
> service and special items (average restaurant), gormet food starts at 2L
> and goes up.  1L becomes the value of 1 hr of unskilled labor in a town,
> 2 hrs in the country or depressed areas like the Rubble.
>    In RQ3, double the number of novice students a teacher can have to
> 32, and charge 1L/4hrs/student level.  Raise this slightly if the skill
> is rare, students are rare, or the teacher is especially greedy and the
> skill is in high demand.  He will make a decent living teaching 8hrs/day
> for 6 days/week unless the student count drops too far.
> Bob Stancliff
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Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 06:43:19 PST
From: "Leon Kirshtein" <leonbk@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] enchantments, ENCHANT HOLY SYMBOL

In a message dated 98-03-06 11:52:08 EST, you write:

<< > It struct me today that enchantments really need a lot more work.  
 > For example, I think that the humakti (and others) gifts, at least 
 > some of them, are enchantments.  How else do you explain a sword 
 > that can do double damage to <select your species here>?  Of 
 > course, if a God 'gave' you an enchantment it is probably harder 
 > to break - except by that God, especially when you go apostate. >>

I do not belive that a Humakti gifts have any thing to do with 
enchantments.  They are blessings of a god to and are maintained by the 
dedication of his followers.  Thus then the initiate dies, or is 
excommunicated, the blessing expires. Note also that this blessing can 
be move from one iteam to another through a DI.

I also wrote a spell which is a divine enchantment and let worshipers to 
temporarily an increase in cult related skills, as well as provide cults 
with real holy symbols.

ENCHANT HOLY SYMBOL
1pt, Ritual (Enchantment), Stackable, Reusable
This ritual requires the presence of at least 3 initiates, each of these 
must succeed in an enchant roll, all will sacrifice at least 1 point of 
power.  The enchantment must be performed in a sanctified area and a 
successful Worship <Deity> ceremony must be performed during  the 
enchantment ritual.  Two out of the three initial points of power 
sacrificed are used for conditions on the enchantment, the third point 
creates a matrix which gives the user +10% to all cult skills.  The 
effect lasts for 15 minutes and requires personal magic points equal to 
power expended in the ritual.  Additional points stacked, beyond the 
first three, will give another +10% to all cult skills.

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Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:50:40 -0500 
From: stancliff@commnections.com
Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Shaking the tree

   Last month I sent a version of the following to Greg at Glorantha.com
to see if he would reply... still waiting.
   When you ask yourself what Love really means, you first realize that
there are many versions of the word (the Greeks had at least four words
that we translate as love).  Then you look at all of them and realize
that they all have to do with that part of man that draws us together in
sharing and caring for each other.  Love helps us get along and makes us
unified.  It gives us Harmony!
   Fertility, on the other hand, is the aspect of Life and Nature that
deals with growth and regrowth, birth and rebirth.  It regenerates and
resurrects.
   For this reason, IMC, I have swapped the runes for Uleria and Chalana
Arroy.  What are the results that stem from this decision?
   In the legend of the Boggles it is said that Uleria was the only one
who could wed the Boggles without being damaged; this is because she
used here power of Harmony to neutralize the Boggle's power of Disorder.
 They canceled out.
   Chalana Arroy is sworn to pacifism, and will not cause harm.  This is
because Fertility opposes Death and cannot embrace or tolerate it's
practices.
   In the myth of Harrana Illor, the first harp, she uses her Harmony to
destroy the demon of discord.  This is obviously a name confusion.
Harrana Illor was the predecessor of Chalana Arroy, and a healing
goddess wouldn't act in this way.  It must be Uleria, goddess of Love
and Harmony who defeats the demon.

Bob (Stancliff@Commnections.Com) (http:\\commnections.com\upgrades)
PS: my web page is primitive and incomplete, I just don't have enough time for
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Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 15:31:21 -0500
From: Tal Meta <talmeta@cybercomm.net>
Subject: [RQ-RULES] Vadeli Sorcery

As I believe I mentioned awhile back, I am working on an alternate
system for gaining Presence/spells/knowledge/etc. for Sandy's Sorcery
tentatively called Pacts (the opposite of Saints, if you would). While
not specificly Gloranthan, I'm finding that it most strongly represents
what I think of when I try and imagine what the Vadeli are up to,
sorcery-wise.

On a related tangent, some of the folks over on the Eternal Champion
list were looking for conversions of spells from GURPS Conan, and while
looking over the list I saw one that went perfectly with my idea of
Vadeli sorcery...

So, I offer for your amusement, the following vadeli sorcery spell:

Homonculous
Ritual (Enchant)
Exotic (Vadeli)
        This spell allows the caster to grow a fetal-like image from his
own flesh. This image, called a homonculous, is an incomplete creature
possessing only STR, CON, SIZ, and DEX (commonly but a single point of
each). This creature must be maintained in a glass bottle, and fed at
least 1 hp worth of blood (from a member of the same species as the
caster, but NEVER the caster's own) to remain alive.
        The caster must provide the flesh for the homonculous; while the
ritual requires that the flesh be "of the caster", it need not come from
his own body. Many Vadeli will take the unborn fetus from their own (or
their woman's) body and use that, or will elect to find some other way
to procure 1 SIZ worth of their own flesh. During the enchantment
ritual, the caster sacrifices 4 points
of POW, one each for STR, CON, and DEX, and the final one to seal the
enchantment.
        Once enchanted, the caster may elect to move his spirit (INT and
POW) into the homonculous at any time, no matter how far they are from
one another (but not across planar boundaries), He can then observe and
communicate with anyone who is present in the room where the homonculous
is kept. The caster can cast magic (but his skills will change to
reflect the reduced DEX of the homonculous, and be further cut by 25% by
the restrictions of being confined within the bottle) but cannot perform
physical actions, as it remains trapped
within the bottle. The caster can return to his own body at will.
        If an enemy gains posession of a live homonculous, he can cast
mind-affecting spells against the homonculous' creator at no Range.
Thus, any sorcerer with a homonculous guards it well, lest it fall into
the hands of his enemies.
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