From: owner-runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com (RuneQuest Rules Digest) To: runequest-rules-digest@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: RuneQuest Rules Digest V2 #141 Reply-To: runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com Sender: owner-runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com Errors-To: owner-runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com Precedence: bulk RuneQuest Rules Digest Tuesday, August 31 1999 Volume 02 : Number 141 RuneQuest is a trademark of Hasbro/Avalon Hill Games. All Rights Reserved. TABLE OF CONTENTS Re: [RQ-RULES] animals tactics [RQ-RULES] Death by DI RE: [RQ-RULES] Lions and Tigers and Bears, oh my! RE: [RQ-RULES] Death by DI Re: Objet : [RQ-RULES] Death by DI Re: [RQ-RULES] Enchantment Gluttony [RQ-RULES] mike bate RE: [RQ-RULES] Death by DI Re: [RQ-RULES] Lions and Tigers and Bears, oh my! Re: [RQ-RULES] Death by DI RE: [RQ-RULES] Death by DI Re: [RQ-RULES] Death by DI RULES OF THE ROAD 1. Do not include large sections of a message in your reply. Especially not to add "Yeah, I agree" or "No, I disagree." Or be excoriated. If someone writes something good and you want to say "good show" please do. But don't include the whole message you praise. 2. Use an appropriate Subject line. 3. Learn the art of paraphrasing: Don't just quote and comment on a point-by-point basis. 4. No anonymous posting, please. Don't say something unless you're ready to stand by it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 31 Aug 99 09:51:59 +0000 From: mike bate Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] animals tactics > German Cantabrana Gonzalez wrote: > > Once, a master, tell me that a wolf, in a jump attack, automatically > hit in my neck 'cos that's the tipical wolf tactic. What do you think > about that "rule"? He said that the wolf attack isn't a aimed hit but > a basic instint (but without Sharon). Not to my taste, bit that's a primary issue between you and your GM. Personally, I'd start arguing that all of my attacks automatically hit the head, as I'm only using downward chopping motions out of 'instinct". But I'm an annoying git when I resort to rules-lawyerism. :) - -- talmeta@cybercomm.net - Heretic, Dilettante, & God-Machine ICQ - 12594453 AIM - talmeta Homepage - *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. 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Obviously, it is impossible to Ressurect someone with 0 POW, as they'd die as soon as you brought them back to life. But, if you Gift Power to them, and then ressurect them Sorry, a spirit whose power is reduced to 0 no longer exists. So, there's nothing to Gift POW to. At death, the spirit is separated from the body (that's what death -is-). Spells that affect the spirit have to be cast on the spirit, not the body. Putting POW into a dead body, if it works at all, gets you a zombie. Andrew *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. RFC822 header - ----------------------------------- RECEIVED: from SF_Database by POP_Mailbox_-1276035973 ; 31 AUG 99 08:02:03 UT Received: by orpheus (mbox jsatch) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Tue Aug 31 08:01:51 1999) X-From_: daemon Mon Aug 30 21:27:27 1999 Received: from lists.imagiconline.com (lists.imagiconline.com [204.85.32.11]) by orpheus.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02310 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:27:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by lists.imagiconline.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id QAA75871; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:13:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from owner-runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com) Received: by lists.imagiconline.com (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:13:52 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.imagiconline.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id QAA75862 for runequest-rules-outgoing; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:13:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from owner-runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com) Received: from spdmgaab.compuserve.com (ds-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.206.135]) by lists.imagiconline.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA75857 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:13:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from AndrewBarton@compuserve.com) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.3) id QAA19745 for runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:12:25 -0400 From: Andrew Barton Subject: [RQ-RULES] Death by DI To: "INTERNET:runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com" Message-ID: <199908301612_MC2-82EE-9F4B@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists.imagiconline.com id QAA75858 Sender: owner-runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com Reply-To: runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:07:06 +0100 From: "Hibbs, Philip" Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] Lions and Tigers and Bears, oh my! >However, if the character is a dodger, they can dodge all attacks from one source. One source is specifically defined as being a single creature wielding a single weapon, ie. one hit, as split attacks have to be against different targets. This "all attacks from one source" rule is misleading, as it leads you to believe that you can dodge more than one attack with one dodge. Opinions expressed may not even be my own, let alone those of any organisations, nations, species, or schools of thought to which I may be affiliated. http://www.snark.freeserve.co.uk/ Failure is not an option, it's integral to the o/s. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:14:20 +0100 From: "Hibbs, Philip" Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] Death by DI >>I was thinking the same thing. Obviously, it is impossible to Ressurect >>someone with 0 POW, as they'd die as soon as you brought them back >>to life. But, if you Gift Power to them, and then ressurect them > >Sorry, a spirit whose power is reduced to 0 no longer exists. >So, there's nothing to Gift POW to. I'd rule that a character with 9 POW who rolls 09 on DI becomes a corpse with 0 POW, and a spirit with 9 POW. The spirit still exists. There's no way a god is going to annihiliate a loyal worshipper for asking for help, unless it's a chaos god. Philip Hibbs http://www.snark.freeserve.co.uk/ Failure is not an option, it's integral to the o/s. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:28:25 -0400 (EDT) From: simon_hibbs@lycosmail.com Subject: Re: Objet : [RQ-RULES] Death by DI Emmanuel Ponette wrote: > > Do you think that if the character receive enough POW through Gift POW of Daka Fal, > he can be resurected? How can I determine if someone is resurectable or not. In the case of 'POW Loss' by DI, the character's spirit is actualy intact and in the hands of the god. I would rule that resurecting such a person might be possible, but would itself require a DI - a direct appeal to the gods - in addition to the normal resurrection procedure . In the case of someone dying through POW loss, as in the case of death due to soul waste, I'd say there is no possibility of recovering the peron. Their soul nolonger exists, so in the case of Gift POW there's nothing to gift it to. How can you give something to someone who doesn't exist? You might as well be able to create completely new spirits from scratch, which IMHO is a divine power. Simon Hibbs *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:29:03 -0400 (EDT) From: simon_hibbs@lycosmail.com Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Enchantment Gluttony Bob Eldred: >I'd be interested in knowing why folks feel that "even farmers are = >likely to get a few points of POW per year"? Is spirit combat that = >common for the everyday man? Worshipers get POW gain rolls for attending major worship ceremonies, at least in my games if not in the official rules. I'm guessing that most initiates attend at least two a year as a minimum - their cult High Holy Day and the Sacred Time ceremonies. There is thus a good chance that any initiate will get at least 1 POW every year, even without allowing for other chances for POW gain rolls. According to the character generation rules, initiates get 1 POW every 3 years to sepnd on spells. However this is a statistical average. It seems reasonable to assume that initiates use some of the one-use rune magic they sacrifice for. Therefore it seems reasonable that the 1 point per 3 years is just the points left unused over that period. I.e. the initiate actualy has more POW available to sacrifice, but on average they only have 1 point left after 3 years. It seems reasonable to me if we assume that each initiate gains 1 POW per year, but on average they use 2 points up every 3 years - at least for the artificial purposes of a set of character generation rules. I must stress that these are averages. I would guess that a sizeable minority of Orlanthi get many more POW gains than this per year, but use them up on usefull divine spells at a commensurately faster rate. Then again a large minority of orlanthi probably get only 1 POW gain per several years. Wise farmers will keenly attend as many worship ceremonies as possible and make good use of the rune magic their god provides. Of course an initiate will never be as efficient, or as flexible at using rune magic as a priest or accolyte. The priest has a much larger range of spells availabe, has more flexibility about when they can cast them and does not have to rely on the random chance of the POW gain roll die to determine their spell power for the year. On a side note, there is one very good reason why the number of active priests and accolytes is limited. A shrine needs a minimum of 100 initiates to maintain. This gives a default ratio of _at_least_ 100 initiates to 1 priest for a rural population, or 1% priests. Of course there is the possibility of panthon worship and shrines to multiple gods within a community, which might double or even trebble this ration to 3% or so. Nevertheless, the shrine and temple size requirements give a usefull indication of what the few percent of priests in a community are doing. It's hard for me to envision what more priests than this would actualy do with themselves, other than sign on to the dole (social security for the unemployed, for non-brits). Simon Hibbs *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:57:38 -0400 From: Tal Meta Subject: [RQ-RULES] mike bate This individual has been removed. If anyone knows him locally, please ask him to disable whatever it is he's using to redirect posts back at the list. - -- talmeta@cybercomm.net - Heretic, Dilettante, & God-Machine ICQ - 12594453 AIM - talmeta Homepage - *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:23:01 -0600 From: "Rich Allen" Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] Death by DI > My statement was in the generic. If your Pow=0 your soul > is dead. Period. Can someone point me in the right direction? I simply cannot find anything in the RQ3 rules that supports the above statement. In fact, what I could find seems to me to state that POW does not equal soul! Players Book: "High POW shows great harmony with Life; low POW shows proportionately less." I do not believe that "Life Force" is synonymous to soul/spirit. The Magic Book specifically states that if a DI causes the PC's POW to drop to 0 then "the adventurer's soul will end up at its appointed place on the god plane." There are circumstances that cause the PC's soul to cease to exist; the Soul Waste disease is one of them, but these specifically attack the soul, with POW loss as collateral damage. I would interpret this as POW=0 means death, with only special circumstances leading to soul death, not the other way around. Rich Allen *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:32:48 -0400 From: "Bob Stancliff" Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Lions and Tigers and Bears, oh my! > >However, if the character is a dodger, they can dodge all attacks from one > source. > > One source is specifically defined as being a single creature wielding a > single weapon, ie. one hit, as split attacks have to be against different > targets. This "all attacks from one source" rule is misleading, as it leads > you to believe that you can dodge more than one attack with one dodge. The Signy example shows her dodging all attacks from one lion, the lion is the one source in the opinion of the author, not the left claw. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:34:29 -0400 From: "Bob Stancliff" Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Death by DI > I'd rule that a character with 9 POW who rolls 09 on DI becomes a corpse > with 0 POW, and a spirit with 9 POW. The spirit still exists. There's no way > a god is going to annihiliate a loyal worshipper for asking for help, unless > it's a chaos god. If the spirit doesn't lose any Pow, then the DI shouldn't work. DI's don't give something for nothing. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:25:57 +0100 From: "Hibbs, Philip" Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] Death by DI >The Magic Book specifically states that if a DI causes >the PC's POW to drop to 0 then "the adventurer's soul >will end up at its appointed place on the god plane." That's a generic statement in a rulebook that was written for Glorantha but was marketed as a Fantasy Europe system. This kind of "rule" has to be reinterpreted according to the setting, the nature of the gods in that setting, and the nature of the specific god in question. http://www.snark.freeserve.co.uk/ Failure is not an option, it's integral to the o/s. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:41:10 -0400 From: "Bob Stancliff" Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Death by DI > Book specifically states that if a DI causes the PC's POW to drop to 0 then > "the adventurer's soul will end up at its appointed place on the god plane." > There are circumstances that cause the PC's soul to cease to exist; the > Soul Waste disease is one of them, but these specifically attack the soul, > with POW loss as collateral damage. I would interpret this as POW=0 means > death, with only special circumstances leading to soul death, not the other > way around. > Rich Allen Valid point. We are using the Soul Waste definition as a general rule for Pow=0. DI provides an alternate interpretation. The open question is whether sacrificing Pow to 0 is the same as DI, or does your soul get lost on the spirit plane. Bob Stancliff *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of RuneQuest Rules Digest V2 #141 ************************************* *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. 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