From: owner-runequest-rules@lists.ient.com (RuneQuest Rules Digest) To: runequest-rules-digest@lists.ient.com Subject: RuneQuest Rules Digest V4 #17 Reply-To: runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com Sender: owner-runequest-rules@lists.ient.com Errors-To: owner-runequest-rules@lists.ient.com Precedence: bulk RuneQuest Rules Digest Saturday, April 7 2001 Volume 04 : Number 017 RuneQuest is a trademark of Hasbro/Avalon Hill Games. All Rights Reserved. TABLE OF CONTENTS Re: [RQ-RULES] gloating Re: [RQ-RULES] gloating Re: [RQ-RULES] [RQ-PDX] True or false? Re: [RQ-RULES] gloating Re: [RQ-RULES] Lets go waaaay back Re: [RQ-RULES] [RQ-PDX] True or false? Re: [RQ-RULES] [RQ-PDX] True or false? Re: [RQ-RULES] [RQ-PDX] True or false? Re: [RQ-RULES] [RQ-PDX] True or false? Re: [RQ-RULES] [RQ-PDX] True or false? Re: [RQ-RULES] [RQ-PDX] True or false? Re: [RQ-RULES] gloating Re: [RQ-RULES] gloating Re: [RQ-RULES] having time for six game sessions a month Re: [RQ-RULES] having time for eight to ten game sessions a month RULES OF THE ROAD 1. Do not include large sections of a message in your reply. Especially not to add "Yeah, I agree" or "No, I disagree." Or be excoriated. If someone writes something good and you want to say "good show" please do. But don't include the whole message you praise. 2. Use an appropriate Subject line. 3. Learn the art of paraphrasing: Don't just quote and comment on a point-by-point basis. 4. No anonymous posting, please. Don't say something unless you're ready to stand by it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:39:05 -0400 From: Tal Meta Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] gloating trentfs@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > My envy is tempered by the fact that I can't even imagine having time for six game sessions a month. I'd be happy with one or two, though... I will overgloat then, since my average gaming time is 8 sessions a month (2 per week - though now that my campaign is over, neither are RQ). - -- talmeta@cybercomm.net - Heretic, Dilettante, & God-Machine ICQ - 12594453 AIM - talmeta Homepage - *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:09:53 +0100 From: Michael Cule Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] gloating Two games each week (one of which will be RQ when I figure out what I'm going to do with a party deeply split up and stuck in Balastar) and one RQ Nippon game which happens about every two to three weeks since the people in it are older and have more complex schedules. - -- Michael Cule *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:24:30 -0600 From: "Stephen Posey [TurboPower Software]" Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] [RQ-PDX] True or false? > Steve Perrin, still messin' with the rules. And glad of it we are ;-) Changing the subject a bit and as a relative newbie here (if not to RQ), can anyone summarize for me the status of RQ as a product at this point? Who owns the copyright and are there any plans for new published versions? Stephen Posey slposey@concentric.net *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 16:34:46 -0500 From: "J & Ellen" Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] gloating I haven't sat down for real, live RuQuing since 1991 or so--since then, it's all been PBEM, in which about two weeks of game time have passed. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Posey [TurboPower Software]" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] gloating Brad Furst wrote: > > I feel like gloating. I am in *two* active RuneQuest campaigns. I > get about six game sessions per month. Both are mostly RQ3, each > having devolved from playtesting RQ4:AiG. I referee one and play two > characters in the other. :-( I don't have a group to play ANYTHING with at the moment, much less my favorite rules-sets. Stephen Posey slposey@concentric.net *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:19:07 -0500 From: "J & Ellen" Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Lets go waaaay back How so? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Kirshtein" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Lets go waaaay back I prefer to mix and match RQ3 and RQ4 Leon Kirshtein >On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:04:18 -0400, "Joseph Elric Smith: Servant of Arioch: >Lord of the Seven Darks" wrote: > > > so Who besides myself prefers the 2 edition rules to third? > >Not me. > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Bruce Probst bprobst@netspace.net.au ICQ 6563830 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 23:25:03 -0400 From: Tal Meta Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] [RQ-PDX] True or false? "Stephen Posey [TurboPower Software]" wrote: > > Changing the subject a bit and as a relative newbie here (if not to RQ), can > anyone summarize for me the status of RQ as a product at this point? > Who owns the copyright and are there any plans for new published versions? Ultimately, Hasbro owns the copyright, and I can't imagine their wanting a competitor for D&D3E (unless/until it bombs out horridly). - -- talmeta@cybercomm.net - Heretic, Dilettante, & God-Machine ICQ - 12594453 AIM - talmeta Homepage - *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 15:55:22 +1000 From: Bruce Probst Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] [RQ-PDX] True or false? On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:23:25 -0700, Brad Furst wrote: >True or false? >To wield a quarterstaff, a character would use the same skill as if >wielding a heavy mace >Two-Handed or a troll maul Two-Handed, etc. That is, it is in the >same weapon skill category in the weapons chart in the books. Well, yes; "true" in the sense, that's what the rules say. "True" in real life? I doubt it. The RQ3 weapons tables could do with a substantial overhaul IMO in several respects, and taking a closer look at the various weapon skill categories would be a benefit. (I've never quite understood why RQ, as one of the very few games where "SIZ" is a measurable value for each and every character, has no SIZ-requirements/restrictions on weapon use! STR/DEX requirements, sure! But no SIZ requirements?!) - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Bruce Probst bprobst@netspace.net.au ICQ 6563830 Melbourne, Australia MSTie #72759 "Suddenly I have a refreshing mint flavour." ASL FAQ http://users.senet.com.au/~mantis/ASLFAQ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 15:55:24 +1000 From: Bruce Probst Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] [RQ-PDX] True or false? On Fri, 06 Apr 2001 23:25:03 -0400, Tal Meta wrote: >"Stephen Posey [TurboPower Software]" wrote: >> >> Changing the subject a bit and as a relative newbie here (if not to RQ), can >> anyone summarize for me the status of RQ as a product at this point? >> Who owns the copyright and are there any plans for new published versions? > >Ultimately, Hasbro owns the copyright, and I can't imagine their wanting >a competitor for D&D3E (unless/until it bombs out horridly). Yes ... Hasbro owns the name "RuneQuest" and the RQ3 *rules*, plus (presumably) whatever development material was done by Avalon Hill for their proposed "RuneQuest: Slayers" game (which was never actually published, almost certainly the best possible result on that score!). It's not inconceivable, however, that Hasbro might publish a d20 game variant using the *name* "RuneQuest", but it would have nothing to do with Glorantha, or, for that matter, anything else that we would normally associate with "RuneQuest" as it was. So it's doubtful that they would bother. Issaries, Inc., owns "Glorantha" and all information relevant thereto. They publish "Hero Wars", the new Gloranthan RPG game, which has nothing remotely in common (mechanics-wise) with any previous edition of RQ. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Bruce Probst bprobst@netspace.net.au ICQ 6563830 Melbourne, Australia MSTie #72759 "Suddenly I have a refreshing mint flavour." ASL FAQ http://users.senet.com.au/~mantis/ASLFAQ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 03:39:09 EDT From: SPerrin@aol.com Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] [RQ-PDX] True or false? - --part1_7c.14207029.28001e1d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/6/01 4:38:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, StephenP@turbopower.com writes: > Changing the subject a bit and as a relative newbie here (if not to RQ), can > anyone summarize for me the status of RQ as a product at this point? > > Who owns the copyright and are there any plans for new published versions? > Copyright is owned by Hasbro through their purchase of Avalon HIll's gaming enterprises. I am told (1) that WotC will make any deciisions about the product and (2) they (WotC) are not interested in getting rid of it, but have no plans for it. This was all before the most recent shakeups at WotC, so I don't know the most up-to-the-minute information. Steve Perrin, who has made at least one attempt to get the property back... - --part1_7c.14207029.28001e1d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/6/01 4:38:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
StephenP@turbopower.com writes:


Changing the subject a bit and as a relative newbie here (if not to RQ), can
anyone summarize for me the status of RQ as a product at this point?  

Who owns the copyright and are there any plans for new published versions?


Copyright is owned by Hasbro through their purchase of Avalon HIll's gaming
enterprises. I am told (1) that WotC will make any deciisions about the
product and (2) they (WotC) are not interested in getting rid of it, but have
no plans for it. This was all before the most recent shakeups at WotC, so I
don't know the most up-to-the-minute information.

Steve Perrin, who has made at least one attempt to get the property back... - --part1_7c.14207029.28001e1d_boundary-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 03:59:56 EDT From: SPerrin@aol.com Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] [RQ-PDX] True or false? - --part1_6b.125752db.280022fc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/6/01 11:01:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bprobst@netspace.net.au writes: > (I've never quite understood why RQ, as one of the very few games where > "SIZ" is a measurable value for each and every character, has no > SIZ-requirements/restrictions on weapon use! STR/DEX requirements, sure! > But no SIZ requirements?!) > One reason is that SIZ defaults to weight, not height. And of course Strike Ranks used SIZ to some extent. Steve Perrin, who got tired of Strike Ranks... - --part1_6b.125752db.280022fc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/6/01 11:01:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
bprobst@netspace.net.au writes:


(I've never quite understood why RQ, as one of the very few games where
"SIZ" is a measurable value for each and every character, has no
SIZ-requirements/restrictions on weapon use!  STR/DEX requirements, sure!
But no SIZ requirements?!)


One reason is that SIZ defaults to weight, not height. And of course Strike
Ranks used SIZ to some extent.

Steve Perrin, who got tired of Strike Ranks... - --part1_6b.125752db.280022fc_boundary-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 08:03:43 -0400 From: Tal Meta Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] [RQ-PDX] True or false? > > Steve Perrin, who has made at least one attempt to get the property back... So did I, actually. But all I ever got was a run-around from their legal department. - -- talmeta@cybercomm.net - Heretic, Dilettante, & God-Machine ICQ - 12594453 AIM - talmeta Homepage - *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 22:11:54 +1000 From: "Jim Lawrie" Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] gloating > > > > I feel like gloating. I am in *two* active RuneQuest campaigns. I > > get about six game sessions per month. Both are mostly RQ3, each > > having devolved from playtesting RQ4:AiG. I referee one and play two > > characters in the other. > > I don't have a group to play ANYTHING with at the moment, much less my favorite > rules-sets. >J & Ellen> > I haven't sat down for real, live RuQuing since 1991 or so--since then, it's all been PBEM, in which about two weeks of game time have passed.: I've gone from playing a couple of times a week, had a room set up purey for playing, to cold turkey stopping and then nothing for 18 months except PbIRC (Which is looking for players at the moment*) It comes from moving 3,500km away from your gaming group. Still, I play mainly plain vanilla RQ3 Jim Lawrie (*For information on the Risklands PbIRC, : Adrian Smith adrian.smith1@btinternet.com ) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 12:17:01 -0600 From: Stephen Posey Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] gloating J & Ellen wrote: > > I haven't sat down for real, live RuQuing since 1991 or so--since then, it's > all been PBEM, in which about two weeks of game time have passed. That's about when I stopped too; when the group I'd been playing with for the previous 12-13 years disintegrated over the course of about 18 months (several folks moved to other cities; and two DIED :-( ), my social life has never quite recovered from that. Except for a couple of one-off sessions at conventions and an introductory session for a friend of mine's little boy, I've neither played nor GM'ed in that time. It's all been rules reading, speculating on new systems, and participating in forums like this (thank Arachne Solara for which!) I suppose one might argue that by not having really played in so long, I'm not in much posistion to talk about the deeper ramifications of the topic (e.g. rules design), I'm too out of touch and have no present means for genuine play-testing, dunno. Stephen Posey slposey@concentric.net *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 12:28:45 -0600 From: Stephen Posey Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] having time for six game sessions a month > I'd be happy with one or two, > >though... > > > >Trent > >who hasn't played RQ since mid-1997 (Yikes, that's coming up on 4 years!) > > Often the bad news is the same as the good news, isn't it? I may be > the eldest of the subscribers here (47 years old) and have no > children living at home. > > I'm 55, was playing RQ (my version) every two weeks and am still playing in > games twice a week (none are RQ, however). > > Steve Perrin Possibly off topic, but I'd be interested to know what the (in)famous Steve Perrin DOES play ;-) Stephen Posey slposey@concentric.net *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 15:39:37 EDT From: SPerrin@aol.com Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] having time for eight to ten game sessions a month - --part1_84.13f57ef2.2800c6f9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/7/01 11:25:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, slposey@concentric.net writes: > Possibly off topic, but I'd be interested to know what the (in)famous > Steve Perrin DOES play ;-) > > I started playing D&D 3e a couple of months ago to get background for the modules I'm working on, but the group changed to Shadowrun and I stayed with it, so I play that every Friday (just finished the third session). I also play a 1900s version of Champions on a bi-weekly schedule and run an Aberrant campaign set in my own world, also on a bi-weekly schedule. Steve Perrin - --part1_84.13f57ef2.2800c6f9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/7/01 11:25:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
slposey@concentric.net writes:


Possibly off topic, but I'd be interested to know what the (in)famous
Steve Perrin DOES play ;-)



I started playing D&D 3e a couple of months ago to get background for the
modules I'm working on, but the group changed to Shadowrun and I stayed with
it, so I play that every Friday (just finished the third session).

I also play a 1900s version of Champions on a bi-weekly schedule and run an
Aberrant campaign set in my own world, also on a bi-weekly schedule.

Steve Perrin - --part1_84.13f57ef2.2800c6f9_boundary-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of RuneQuest Rules Digest V4 #17 ************************************ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. RuneQuest is a Trademark of Hasbro/Avalon Hill Games. With the exception of previously copyrighted material, unless specified otherwise all text in this digest is copyright by the author or authors, with rights granted to copy for personal use, to excerpt in reviews and replies, and to archive unchanged for electronic retrieval.